Scryptcloud owes you:
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I payed through BTC-E. I guess direct refunding won’t work in that case right? I need an own Bitcoin wallet for that.
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[quote name=“FTClover” post=“54928” timestamp=“1390657946”]
Ok so I am starting the refunds now, Will take some time, but I will refund what I have now then just need some time to sell some stuff and also to talk with kevlar :)
[/quote]i am happy to hear that… and lets see
and please send me back FTC not bitcoins i used FTC to pay you thanks -
I got refunded for 0.184 BTC in euros via wire international payment ( bank to bank), I am waiting 4-5 days for the funds to arrive !
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[quote name=“ghitzafunny” post=“54947” timestamp=“1390660622”]
I got refunded for 0.184 BTC in euros via wire international payment ( bank to bank), I am waiting 4-5 days for the funds to arrive !
[/quote]great
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[quote name=“flcph” post=“54945” timestamp=“1390660560”]
[quote author=FTClover link=topic=7176.msg54928#msg54928 date=1390657946]
Ok so I am starting the refunds now, Will take some time, but I will refund what I have now then just need some time to sell some stuff and also to talk with kevlar :)
[/quote]i am happy to hear that… and lets see
and please send me back FTC not bitcoins i used FTC to pay you thanks
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He received your payment in bitcoins . anyways , FTC got cheaper and you can trade the BTC or the refund for more FTC ! -
so the guy that starts the thread saying its not a scam get the first refund in full … interesting. Would it not be better if he doesn’t have enough to refund everyone to divide what he has into %ages and distribute it accordingly so everyone receives partial refunds constantly until all paid?
I am sure Kevlar or another member of staff would help FTClover crunch the numbers or even moderate the refunds based on the amount he has to issue at the time
in any case 0.18 is a long way off the 24+ btc he received and we dont even know for fact that amount will ever get received yet
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I think I am the first to be refunded because I am the first who bought a mining contract (I think) . That way of refunding by dividing the funds to all is a better way , indeed !
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well that the first good news in some time, lets continue this way and let kevlar and ftclover find the best solution,
and later on draw all the conclusion of all this and establish rules for future venturethanks
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I just want to say that i have an appointment with my solicitor on Wednesday afternoon. Its my intention (provided Kevlar has finished the documentation by that time) to take everything along and get a clear understanding from a legal point of view were we stand as to Criminal / Civil proceedings and also obtain an outline of advice as to where we should move from that point.
Regardless of if refunds come through or not i personally see this as a necessary next step forward
If indeed this is a criminal matter (which i strongly suspect it is), we already have members in Ireland that have agreed to take the information to the local police for us.
We might find that both Civil and criminal proceedings can be bought forward in this case.
After my meeting with the solicitor its my intention to forward the advice received to Kevlar who will then co-ordinate the next steps
Thank you
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OK so are refund being sent in BTC? I have no BTC wallet address as I paid in FTC and only deal in FTC - I’d really like me refund in FTC…
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If he owed me money, id take it in rusty pennies if I thought there was a chance I’d get it back.
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[quote name=“finalbillybong” post=“55000” timestamp=“1390671364”]
OK so are refund being sent in BTC? I have no BTC wallet address as I paid in FTC and only deal in FTC - I’d really like me refund in FTC…
[/quote]There will be a way to sort that out - might not be with FTCLover but there will be someone else that will trade them for you.
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[quote name=“Pryderi” post=“55011” timestamp=“1390675449”]
[quote author=finalbillybong link=topic=7176.msg55000#msg55000 date=1390671364]
OK so are refund being sent in BTC? I have no BTC wallet address as I paid in FTC and only deal in FTC - I’d really like me refund in FTC…
[/quote]There will be a way to sort that out - might not be with FTCLover but there will be someone else that will trade them for you.
[/quote]Guess I better download the BTC wallet then…
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[quote name=“finalbillybong” post=“55013” timestamp=“1390675563”]
[quote author=Pryderi link=topic=7176.msg55011#msg55011 date=1390675449]
[quote author=finalbillybong link=topic=7176.msg55000#msg55000 date=1390671364]
OK so are refund being sent in BTC? I have no BTC wallet address as I paid in FTC and only deal in FTC - I’d really like me refund in FTC…
[/quote]There will be a way to sort that out - might not be with FTCLover but there will be someone else that will trade them for you.
[/quote]Guess I better download the BTC wallet then…
[/quote]That’s the easiest way to fix your problem, indeed. Afterwards you could just trade the Bitcoin on any exchange for your beloved Feathercoins!
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[quote name=“finalbillybong” post=“55000” timestamp=“1390671364”]
OK so are refund being sent in BTC? I have no BTC wallet address as I paid in FTC and only deal in FTC - I’d really like me refund in FTC…
[/quote]If you want, i can take the BTC and give you FTC in exchange.
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[quote name=“svennand” post=“55021” timestamp=“1390678981”]
[quote author=finalbillybong link=topic=7176.msg55000#msg55000 date=1390671364]
OK so are refund being sent in BTC? I have no BTC wallet address as I paid in FTC and only deal in FTC - I’d really like me refund in FTC…
[/quote]If you want, i can take the BTC and give you FTC in exchange.
[/quote]i would be nice if you could do the same for me
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[quote name=“flcph” post=“55029” timestamp=“1390680461”]
[quote author=svennand link=topic=7176.msg55021#msg55021 date=1390678981]
[quote author=finalbillybong link=topic=7176.msg55000#msg55000 date=1390671364]
OK so are refund being sent in BTC? I have no BTC wallet address as I paid in FTC and only deal in FTC - I’d really like me refund in FTC…
[/quote]If you want, i can take the BTC and give you FTC in exchange.
[/quote]i would be nice if you could do the same for me
thanks
[/quote]I’ll be able to do such thing too but got my Feathercoins at a fairly high price so we have to work out the ratio to pay out.
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lets wait and see if anyone gets anything first before we work out how to exchange it
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[quote name=“mhamilton79” post=“54972” timestamp=“1390665626”]
I just want to say that i have an appointment with my solicitor on Wednesday afternoon. Its my intention (provided Kevlar has finished the documentation by that time) to take everything along and get a clear understanding from a legal point of view were we stand as to Criminal / Civil proceedings and also obtain an outline of advice as to where we should move from that point.Regardless of if refunds come through or not i personally see this as a necessary next step forward
If indeed this is a criminal matter (which i strongly suspect it is), we already have members in Ireland that have agreed to take the information to the local police for us.
We might find that both Civil and criminal proceedings can be bought forward in this case.
After my meeting with the solicitor its my intention to forward the advice received to Kevlar who will then co-ordinate the next steps
Thank you
[/quote]I will have, and I’d be happy to provide it to your lawyer directly, who can share it with you if he sees fit to do so (I’m sure he will). It will contain the findings of everyone, including screen shots and ip addresses and all facts as has been sent to me in numerous PMs my many people.
I’m also speaking to Shane directly now, and it’s my intention to get this all resolved before such means become necessary. If we can settle this without involving the justice system, that would be preferable, because I can assure you that in the case of criminal action, the only people who will win are the lawyers. Your lawyer will tell you the same thing: The best outcome you can hope for is an out of court settlement. I’ll still give your lawyer the docs if you want to pursue that.
Regardless of what happens next, I’m working hard this weekend to organize this all and work things out in a way that benefits everyone.
Thank you for all your PM’s, if you haven’t already, please PM me your info, I’ll be releasing the refund sheet [u]before EoD today[/u]. When I do, if you don’t see your name on it, you’ll need to get in touch with me.
As for refunds, the best solution I can offer you is a percentage of the refund proportionate to your contribution at the time of it. So if you supplied 10% of the funds as calculated by the exchange rate at the time of the payment, and we get back 90% of the funds, you can expect to get back 10% of the total collected funds, which is 90% of your expenditure, and 9% of the total amount taken. This is the only fair way to do it that I can think of, because it assumes that the transaction was priced at the time it was made, and a proportionate refund means no penalties/rewards for using another currency. Of course if we get FTC, we’ll send FTC, but if we only get BTC, then you’ll just have to accept the difference in price between now and when you made the purchase, and I’m sorry about that, but I can’t give more to some people just because the exchange rate has changed. The refund worksheet will make this all clear.
I’ll be announcing hard [u]DATES[/u] by the [u]end of this weekend[/u] of when and how the rest of my effort will go down. We need deadlines to ensure everyone has time to participate and claim their refund, and get all the parties organized, because it very well may be the case we need to do a partial refund, and if that’s the case we need to know how much to send to who. It’s not fair to just keep saying, “We’re working on it”, so dates of when you can expect to get your money back are real important in my mind, and allows for transparency, while still giving everyone time to organize and communicate.
