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    • j_scheibel
      j_scheibel last edited by

      that’s all. If you want to smooth the price, you will need to create a pool of funds. I have mentioned, we need to establish a stabilization fund.

      I like this idea a lot. you could if we were inclined, have the transaction fee vary based on pool value. If the coins relative value goes down to much the pool pays for the fee and transactions become cheaper. if the price is increasing too much a higher transaction fee is levied and it feeds the pool. The pool would have to be smart though. It would have to allow for adjustments based on overall currency traded as a portion of all coins in the market. in essence if someone hordes coins to drive up the price the transaction fee shouldn’t vary much because of that.

      regardless it’s a discussion that deserves its own thread. It might not turn out to be wise to buffer the system in any real capacity (as i just described). currency stabilization is not something you can really force, just encourage.

      *edit* and it might be possible to remove the market itself from the system. As long as you can make the direct correlation between volume of transactions and currency on the market to the effective price. If the ratio is lower (fewer transactions) the transaction fees are reduced (and the pool picks up the slack so miners still get paid), it is higher they are increased (and we feed the pool). The pool of course only ever cover up to the total cost of the transaction and only if the payment didnt exceed some percentage of the pools overall funds. The effect should be minimal but short of having the pool buy and sell funds (which i dont think you should ever do) its the best you might hope for, for some sort of auto correcting price.

      As for the total coins in the market, this should remain fixed for this currency. For 2 reasons i can think of, you need to build trust in the currency, changing the overall amount of the currency after launch destroys trust. It would really upset some people who thought they could count on a fixed coin size. the relative amount of currency 336m or 100m or whatever doesn’t matter, it just moves decimal points.(dividing everyone’s coins or multiplying them by some number serves no purpose.) The other reason to keep it fixed is because the whole idea of the algorithm governing release of currency is that is fixed. Otherwise the entire system would have to be rethought.

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      • ?
        A Former User last edited by

        The trick I guess is for the supply of coins to not grow faster than the uptake of it by people, which is where most alt coins are struggling.

        +1

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          mirrax last edited by

          +1

          +1

          it is to fast now

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          • MrWyrm
            MrWyrm administrators last edited by

            it’s a shame rate of release can’t be tied to some form of community health indicator. But I guess there isn’t one that would be suitable or reliable.

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              tmuir12 Regular Member last edited by

              Yes that would be good, but I’m guess something very technically hard to do.

              I did think you could tie that into coin spend, but that wouldn’t work as a healthy cyrpto economey would have a raesonable amount of coin spend, but then a crashing one would have an even bigger spend as everyone tried to cash out.

              Another indicator would be the number of wallets online.

              In a declining coin economy there would not be many wallets online as most people would transfer it all to exchanges, but a healthy one would have a lot of wallets online as people made transactions.

              The big downside of having coin production dropping though is it would turn away miners, lowering the hashing power and so lower security of the network.

              I think trying to teak it all to keep everything working would be like balancing a ball on your noise, whilst riding a unicycle on a tight rope though. This makes all for good discussion, but not sure if it would be possible to implement.

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              • MrWyrm
                MrWyrm administrators last edited by

                You wouldn’t want something that could be tampered with. if it was number of active wallets, you could inflate it by having your 1000 FTC kept in 1000 addresses or smaller decimals, at least until your transaction fees ate your money.

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                  tmuir12 Regular Member last edited by

                  Yes that was something I wasn’t even thinking about, couldn’t use a system that could be abused, and just about all of them can be…

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                  • MrWyrm
                    MrWyrm administrators last edited by

                    Maybe you need a centralised organisation, to help control the release of money, encourage spending by inflating and devaluing your money and discourage/encourage saving using a controllable rate to stimulate the economy. Oh wait…

                    Sorry :-X ^-^ ^-^

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                      Flobdeth Regular Member last edited by

                      +1

                      it is to fast now

                      But isn’t the whole point of changing the algorythm to slow that down V’s the asics for a while?

                      Finish the job and wait, sounding impatient there Mirrax ;)

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                        tmuir12 Regular Member last edited by

                        Maybe you need a centralised organisation, to help control the release of money, encourage spending by inflating and devaluing your money and discourage/encourage saving using a controllable rate to stimulate the economy. Oh wait…

                        Sorry :-X ^-^ ^-^

                        LOL,

                        Can you hear that sound?

                        That’s mob coming up the hill to flay you for even suggesting it in jest.

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                        • MrWyrm
                          MrWyrm administrators last edited by

                          I felt dirty just writing it. :)

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                            A Former User last edited by

                            But isn’t the whole point of changing the algorythm to slow that down V’s the asics for a while?

                            The pace of the coins release was set when ftc launched. The algo change isn’t to try control the rate of the coins release as much as it’s to control the distribution of mining power.

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                              Flobdeth Regular Member last edited by

                              So, would it be an idea to start a competition based around P2p nodes and spreading hash rates?

                              Obviously when everything settles down a little after switch

                              Thanks for clarification Calem

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                                mirrax last edited by

                                But isn’t the whole point of changing the algorythm to slow that down V’s the asics for a while?

                                Finish the job and wait, sounding impatient there Mirrax ;)

                                yes impatient and overexcited at the same time :)

                                Just can’t stop it with so much great development here…

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                                • kris_davison
                                  kris_davison last edited by

                                  yes impatient and overexcited at the same time :)
                                  Just can’t stop it with so much great development here…

                                  +1

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                                  • ghostlander
                                    ghostlander Regular Member last edited by

                                    Switched the PXC testnet to NeoScrypt: phoenixcoin-win64-0.6.6.0t.zip (Wallet + CPUminer, Windows 64-bit)

                                    Solo mining works very well. P2Pool seems to work, but doesn’t count all shares, though submits all blocks found. Needs more work probably. Anyone well versed in Python to take a look?

                                    Pool 1 (Amsterdam)
                                    Pool 2 (Los Angeles)

                                    Testnet block explorer in case you need it. NeoScrypt is after block #3600.

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                                      Flobdeth Regular Member last edited by

                                      Roughly how long you going to run the testnet? all weekend at least?

                                      Busy today, but I can throw the 270’s at it tomorrow

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                                      • ghostlander
                                        ghostlander Regular Member last edited by

                                        This testnet runs since November of 2013. No GPU miner at this moment. Use your CPUs.

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                                          tmuir12 Regular Member last edited by

                                          For numpties like me to mine on the pool I’m assuming we just use the mining in the wallet.

                                          For the LA server I’m guessing we use

                                          menoetius.phoenixcoin.org

                                          port 20554

                                          for username the wallet address and can we just leave password blank?

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                                            tmuir12 Regular Member last edited by

                                            Solo mining is working for me, already found 2 blocks other than letting my CPU mine it for a while, is there any other help I can do?

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