The Checkpoint Controversy Is Caused By A Huge Misunderstanding
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[quote name=“iawgoM” post=“24116” timestamp=“1375442487”]
All that you wrote doesn’t deny the fact that you were doing your best trying to scare everyone - it was so close to yelling “Everything if falling apart, UNOCS is megafail, new features that you are planning are totally wrong, JustaBit has left us, sell it people, run for your lives!”. To be honest, many people here were wondering what the hell are you doing? In the end - it’s perfectly clear what you were doing. Manipulating. If that was not your intention - lots of your criticism and suggestions could be discussed in private with devs. To keep an open to discussion community is one thing, but to publicly cause mass hysteria with purpose to make waves in the market and profit from them - that’s another thing.No more discussions with you. Anthying that you write, try to learn a newbie how not to trade etc. won’t change the fact that you are profithunter that allows himself to play dirty.
Ah yes, this discussion has became personal. I believe some of moderators might want to lock it before I start calling you names you actually deserve.
[/quote]There’s no playing dirty here. I said I stand by my opinions and the reasoning associated with them. If the reasoning was unsound, maybe the guy wouldn’t have listened. The point is it IS reasonable, and perfectly valid at that. You had a chance to stand up and disagree with your own ability to reason, tackling the salient points head on with contrary opinions and well reasoned argument for why I was wrong, but I didn’t see you doing that. I won’t be held responsible for people’s bad trading decisions, and I’ll sleep just fine at night knowing that the trades my bot makes are because people on the other side of the trade have decided to sell their coins for their own reasons. If I can convince them to do so at a price that benefits me, you better believe I’m gonna make that trade, [b][u][i]AND SO DO YOU EVERYTIME YOU BUY A COIN FOR CHEAP AND SELL IT FOR MORE[/i][/u][/b] so don’t pretend you’re holding crypto-currencies because you think it’s good for the environment and makes people happy and rainbows and unicorns. It’s MONEY. Playing dirty is tricking someone into giving it up or stealing it from them. What I did was speculate on the future of the price, and I was wrong. That’s not manipulation, that’s telling it like it is and not playing into the group-think cheerleader mentality.
The truth is I was already WAY long on FTC, so I was losing my shirt along with everyone else, so I wasn’t about to start buying more, and I’ve said in other posts that we should buy them all back when they’re cheap again. I was as surprised as anyone at the sudden spike and my bot locked in my profits all the way up. This is just good trading skills, and clearly my alleged trolling has had the opposite effect since the price is on the rise. If a newb gets itchy trigger finger because I say the emperor isn’t wearing any clothes, that hardly qualifies me as a playing dirty, especially when the emperor REALLY ISN’T wearing any clothes.
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[quote name=“iawgoM” post=“24125” timestamp=“1375445333”]
[quote author=Kevlar link=topic=3070.msg24120#msg24120 date=1375444442]
If I can convince them to do so at a price that benefits me, you better believe I’m gonna make that trade.
[/quote]Jackpot! Mission accomplished.
[/quote]Don’t quote me out of context. It’s just bad form.
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[quote name=“MrFeathers” post=“24135” timestamp=“1375450800”]
Can we stop the OT attacks in this thread or can you two start a new thread somewhere? I am really interested in learning more about advanced checkpointing and its long term impact on feathercoin. Unfortunately, only the first couple posts are relevant to these issues and I do not want this thread to get locked because I want to hear more about the checkpoint controversy, possible centralization, possible vulnerabilities etc.Thanks :)
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Come on guys, suck it up and move on. For the record Kevlar’s trading advice is spot on. I use the same strategy and it’s served me well. Formulate your plan before hand and stick to it. Everytime I “think” I’m smarter than my plan and don’t obey it, I lose money.
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Oh, come on, wes. Underhanded attacks are really unnecessary, especially from someone who is supposed to be providing some leadership.
The point of cryptocurrencies is that no one is to be trusted. Lack of trust is what everything is centered around. That’s why I take issue with ACP. It requires unverifiable trust, which is totally contrary to everything Bitcoin was built around.
When it comes to my money and valuables, I don’t trust anyone else. I don’t trust you or Bushstar or Kevlar. I only trust me.
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[quote name=“wesphily” post=“24149” timestamp=“1375454101”]
I think what they don’t like is the fact that the trollbox is being brought to Feathercoin similar to how it is brought to other forums. People are not sure what to do since this is new to our community. People who know this is new are taking advantage of it. It is unfortunate.
[/quote]If we constantly talk about ftc in the trollbox it makes sense for it fall back here. Two way street.
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You can trust whoever you want, but advising other people to trust someone else with their valuables is incredibly bad advice. That’s how we got into the monetary position we’re in right now with central banks and bailouts and inflation. We’re trying to solve those problems, not recreate them with a different coat of paint.
Off topic sidebar:
Taking pop shots at valuable members of this community is bad form. You may not like everyone here or trust them (I certainly have members I dislike), but you are not high sultan and are still subject to the [url=http://forum.feathercoin.com/index.php?topic=466.0]forum code of conduct[/url], as are the rest of us. I want to see this community remain positive and productive, even in the face of major disagreements. I hope you do as well. -
[quote name=“Aldanga” post=“24203” timestamp=“1375464221”]
You can trust whoever you want, but advising other people to trust someone else with their valuables is incredibly bad advice. That’s how we got into the monetary position we’re in right now with central banks and bailouts and inflation. We’re trying to solve those problems, not recreate them with a different coat of paint.Off topic sidebar:
Taking pop shots at valuable members of this community is bad form. You may not like everyone here or trust them (I certainly have members I dislike), but you are not high sultan and are still subject to the [url=http://forum.feathercoin.com/index.php?topic=466.0]forum code of conduct[/url], as are the rest of us. I want to see this community remain positive and productive, even in the face of major disagreements. I hope you do as well.
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+1
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[quote name=“wesphily” post=“24238” timestamp=“1375474924”]
I purposely mentioned no names.You are saying you don’t trust anybody.
I’m am saying I don’t trust people who don’t trust Bushstar.
How are we different. Are we both taking shots at people?
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Your implication was obvious to any one with a shred of sense. Such behavior is unbecoming of anyone who claims to be a leader.Are you interested in actually having a discussion or do you just intend to keep circling with veiled accusations against community members? I, for one, would like to continue the discussion on ACP.
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[quote name=“Aldanga” post=“24242” timestamp=“1375475583”]
[quote author=wesphily link=topic=3070.msg24238#msg24238 date=1375474924]
I purposely mentioned no names.You are saying you don’t trust anybody.
I’m am saying I don’t trust people who don’t trust Bushstar.
How are we different. Are we both taking shots at people?
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Your implication was obvious to any one with a shred of sense. Such behavior is unbecoming of anyone who claims to be a leader.Are you interested in actually having a discussion or do you just intend to keep circling with veiled accusations against community members? I, for one, would like to continue the discussion on ACP.
[/quote]Ladies, ladies! You’re both pretty!
Seriously, there’s no need for all this. A small-timer got burnt on a bad trade, and I’m the devil in disguise because I thought the price would follow the perception, and not the market manipulation. Can we all please move on with our collective lives now that that’s out in the open?
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[quote name=“Kevlar” post=“24276” timestamp=“1375481844”]
[quote author=Aldanga link=topic=3070.msg24242#msg24242 date=1375475583]
[quote author=wesphily link=topic=3070.msg24238#msg24238 date=1375474924]
I purposely mentioned no names.You are saying you don’t trust anybody.
I’m am saying I don’t trust people who don’t trust Bushstar.
How are we different. Are we both taking shots at people?
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Your implication was obvious to any one with a shred of sense. Such behavior is unbecoming of anyone who claims to be a leader.Are you interested in actually having a discussion or do you just intend to keep circling with veiled accusations against community members? I, for one, would like to continue the discussion on ACP.
[/quote]Ladies, ladies! You’re both pretty!
Seriously, there’s no need for all this. A small-timer got burnt on a bad trade, and I’m the devil in disguise because I thought the price would follow the perception, and not the market manipulation. Can we all please move on with our collective lives now that that’s out in the open?
[/quote]I was told you were the second coming of the Fontas? It’s not true? :'(