Interview with Ross Ulbricht - Silk Road Founder
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[quote name=“mnstrcck” post=“30163” timestamp=“1380756438”]
A) DPR is Ross
[/quote]Not illegal.
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B) Ross ran Silk Road, was aware and supported the transactions and activities that occurred
[/quote]That’s questionable. If I run a message board, and you make a sale with a third party on it, am I responsible? Have I supported you? What if I tweet the link to your post? Have I supported you then? Such precedent is a very slippery slope and is likely to get shot down under the first amendment.
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C) he made commissions off of said transactions which he then laundered [as the earnings would have been classified under US law as being profits from crime].
[/quote]That’s the one that may end up sticking to him like a bad habit.
You’re right about the murder-for-hire part. I guess we’ll see what happens next. One thing is clear, this is going to be in the media for a while to come.
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[quote name=“Kevlar” post=“30164” timestamp=“1380757431”]
Not illegal.
[/quote]Not at all, but in order to charge Ross they’d have to establish the evidence supporting their belief he is in fact DPR, owner of SR. Which they do.
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That’s questionable. If I run a message board, and you make a sale with a third party on it, am I responsible? Have I supported you? What if I tweet the link to your post? Have I supported you then? Such precedent is a very slippery slope and is likely to get shot down under the first amendment.
[/quote]Not really, they establish extremely strong evidence to support the fact that Ross was aware and contributed to what was going on - he made policy changes to what could and could not be sold etc - and that’s all it takes to have the reasonable grounds to charge him with conspiracy. Aiding and abetting. That’s why they spent x pages on how the business was run, to show that he was conscious of what he was doing and was doing so with intent.
[/quote]Yeah, the document is basically a very thorough foundation for why they feel the need to charge him with what they have. Point A to Point B to Point C. J. Edgar Hoover would be proud!
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[quote name=“mnstrcck” post=“30165” timestamp=“1380757809”]
[quote author=Kevlar link=topic=3890.msg30164#msg30164 date=1380757431]
Not illegal.
[/quote]Not at all, but in order to charge Ross they’d have to establish the evidence supporting their belief he is in fact DPR, owner of SR. Which they do.
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That’s questionable. If I run a message board, and you make a sale with a third party on it, am I responsible? Have I supported you? What if I tweet the link to your post? Have I supported you then? Such precedent is a very slippery slope and is likely to get shot down under the first amendment.
[/quote]Not really, they establish extremely strong evidence to support the fact that Ross was aware and contributed to what was going on - he made policy changes to what could and could not be sold etc - and that’s all it takes to have the reasonable grounds to charge him with conspiracy. Aiding and abetting. That’s why they spent x pages on how the business was run, to show that he was conscious of what he was doing and was doing so with intent.
Yeah, the document is basically a very thorough foundation for why they feel the need to charge him with what they have. Point A to Point B to Point C. J. Edgar Hoover would be proud!
[/quote]Well it’s probablly a good think I’m not a lawyer then, huh? :P
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Neither am I, but - let’s just say I got two bullshit traffic tickets a few years ago and found out I knew shit about law and procedure. I fought them successfully and won, and have been reading case-law on a regular basis since. Stuff like this interests me. :)
Still a very interesting situation nonetheless.
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[url=https://ia601904.us.archive.org/1/items/gov.uscourts.mdd.238311/gov.uscourts.mdd.238311.4.0.pdf]This was just released[/url], and holy shit does the rabbit hole go deeper.
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[quote name=“mnstrcck” post=“30215” timestamp=“1380797104”]
[link=https://ia601904.us.archive.org/1/items/gov.uscourts.mdd.238311/gov.uscourts.mdd.238311.4.0.pdf]This was just released[/url], and holy shit does the rabbit hole go deeper.
[/quote]Wow
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I think that is what we refer to as “Banged to rights” :D
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I hope he will rot in prison forever.
Running a website like this IS a crime and it is damaging whole crypto community. -
[quote name=“mirrax” post=“30226” timestamp=“1380804527”]
I hope he will rot in prison forever.[/quote]And I only hope the same for anyone that says the same.
[quote]Running a website like this IS a crime and it is damaging whole crypto community.
[/quote]Yeah, no. Vice pushes along the wheels of change.
We’d still be trying to sell the value of crypto to people years later if not Silk Road solving a “problem” in purchasing power and distribution and value in the currency beyond that of the drugs themselves.
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[quote name=“HopeStillFlies” post=“30336” timestamp=“1380913168”]
[quote author=mirrax link=topic=3890.msg30226#msg30226 date=1380804527]
I hope he will rot in prison forever.[/quote]And I only hope the same for anyone that says the same.
[quote]Running a website like this IS a crime and it is damaging whole crypto community.
[/quote]Yeah, no. Vice pushes along the wheels of change.
We’d still be trying to sell the value of crypto to people years later if not Silk Road solving a “problem” in purchasing power and distribution and value in the currency beyond that of the drugs themselves.
[/quote]+1 on both accounts (+2?).
He’s a human being. He deserves to be treated like one. He’s not a monster, and he’s not disposable. He deserves to be loved like anyone else.
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[quote name=“Kevlar” post=“30366” timestamp=“1380930690”]
He deserves to be loved like anyone else.
[/quote]Being loved should be a human right.
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[quote name=“mirrax” post=“30226” timestamp=“1380804527”]
I hope he will rot in prison forever.
Running a website like this IS a crime and it is damaging whole crypto community.
[/quote]No matter your stance on drugs SR was an interesting idea and a good way for regular people to source decent quality safer drugs, most of the dutch stuff was lab tested, the feedback system helped to find reputable sellers, IMO alot safer than doing shady street deals. Obviously with all drugs there is a risk but other than government decriminalisation and regulated sales SR was the next best thing.
Many people will disagree with my opinions on this subject but most drug deaths are due to poorly synthesised drugs which the feedback system would soon make people aware of or overdose which is either greed or poor education of doses and tolerances.