\[Kickstart\] Link - The File Sharing Blockchain Protocol
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[quote name=“Kevlar” post=“41870” timestamp=“1386553532”]
Sure!EtVbP5g19AG37Zp1kodipkBTZdbm3Dxr9N
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[quote author=Kevlar link=topic=5663.msg41870#msg41870 date=1386553532]
Do you want me to do a Link on the HBN network as well at some point in my testing? I can. Wouldn’t be hard.
[/quote]Not necessary. I just have more HBN than anything else right now.
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[quote name=“Kevlar” post=“41889” timestamp=“1386557827”]
You guys are awesome.I’m encoding the magnet link Tuck suggested now (by hand). I hope to have it embedded in the blockchain sometime this evening, after which time I’ll demonstrate that it can be retrieved.
Once that’s done, it’ll be time to start writing some code! Should I do reading or publishing first?
[/quote]Sample technical walkthrough from inputs to output of strings, pl0x.
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sent 7 ftc, will send some more when can mine some to show my appreciation.
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Major progress tonight.
I wrote a NodeJS program to actually generate addresses. It works. WOOOOOOOT!!!
Details are here: [url=http://forum.feathercoin.com/index.php/topic,5558.new.html#new]http://forum.feathercoin.com/index.php/topic,5558.new.html#new[/url]
Next up is to change the version number to FTC, and do a send! I’ll keep you posted.
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So the first test is over, and while it wasn’t perfect, it was absolutely successful.
Here’s the transaciton: [url=http://ftc.cryptocoinexplorer.com/tx/cc66ef78c1bcfbaf2a691b3dda77847bc80350ad262f17af38f7950879ecaef2#o2]http://ftc.cryptocoinexplorer.com/tx/cc66ef78c1bcfbaf2a691b3dda77847bc80350ad262f17af38f7950879ecaef2#o2[/url]
You can see the change address got stuck in the middle of the sequence, ruining the sequence. :( Stupid QT client putting change addresses wherever it wants…
Anyway, some great datapoints came of this.
First of all, the data:
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URL: magnet:?xt=urn:btih:fbab636f9c91fb58038055dfce83cd8099a
7366e&dn=TPB+AFK%3A+The+Pirate+Bay+Away+from+Keyboard+%282013%29+720p+h264+581m
Name: TPB AFK: The Pirate Bay Away from Keyboard (2013) 720p h264 581
Keywords: TPB AFK,The Pirate Bay,Away From Keyboard,Simon Klose,Documentary,720p
[/quote]That encoded to the following sequence of FTC addresses:
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6khUSbZaZyRXA4Lg5GUpFFaaJXV6vHkTN8
6onH4FjBPBLAMXZqyKQY42zsnBnckNqN8T
6ngim5JtHcgEFyWVSEstHa7rshN9pXNxCB
6ixqm7eZH4g8vzLUYc31RgChwYgenYUJ8h
6jg2cbGPw3yPsPqNQpnyxnsN9fumLejywd
6pn8YEJTwePT3J5iofQnRmRjXkqWretPr6
6i8GAByMnmLChsBc91S3dSHKA97suZciZL
6og7cCTAAd6Km64FaNY5rVBYvsJrTeTYHc
6ncjmPxRb64BAbqBH3wRnfmtM3zShZrpiQ
6poGU825xGSy7amhadak4CXhti2USisDC8
6iJwWFDKREpvf1HCTduKbU4RQwA3h2BEJX
6oFSCqxHJibEXUHf8YqpPp7E5QdNGvornG
6pAXJRV5CWGUeWgdA3bgp2yTxRYVh1vzc8
6ocoGyQyzB8BRoP8WV9AbVsHggekeDrVNF
6oweXpZ6cbRoM6fueEPPWpArua5G1yZXb2
[/quote]Which were all sent a Satoshi in the transaction:
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cc66ef78c1bcfbaf2a691b3dda77847bc80350ad262f17af38f7950879ecaef2
[/quote]Now, the client asked me to use 0.32 as the miners fee, which I did. As we all know, this is strictly negotiable, and can probably be significantly reduced. So the total cost to embed this data in the blockchain was 0.32000015.
So, anyone got a good way to make the QT client NOT charge a fee?
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Holy Rising Chikun Batman. Awesome. FLUX module documentation coming.
Can we use this: [url=http://forum.feathercoin.com/index.php/topic,5558.msg42025.html#msg42025]http://forum.feathercoin.com/index.php/topic,5558.msg42025.html#msg42025[/url]
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[quote name=“Kevlar” post=“41973” timestamp=“1386584907”]
So, anyone got a good way to make the QT client NOT charge a fee?
[/quote]I feel the answer is so obvious that you must be talking about something entirely different, but here it goes …
Set the fee to 0.00 in settings?
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[quote name=“Tuck Fheman” post=“42120” timestamp=“1386613736”]
[quote author=Kevlar link=topic=5663.msg41973#msg41973 date=1386584907]
So, anyone got a good way to make the QT client NOT charge a fee?
[/quote]I feel the answer is so obvious that you must be talking about something entirely different, but here it goes …
Set the fee to 0.00 in settings?
[/quote]Could it really be that simple? Worth a try I guess!
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[quote name=“Tuck Fheman” post=“42120” timestamp=“1386613736”]
[quote author=Kevlar link=topic=5663.msg41973#msg41973 date=1386584907]
So, anyone got a good way to make the QT client NOT charge a fee?
[/quote]I feel the answer is so obvious that you must be talking about something entirely different, but here it goes …
Set the fee to 0.00 in settings?
[/quote]Even if you do that doesn’t it go “nuh-uh” and charge a fee for “larger” transactions anyway? I forget. -
[quote name=“HopeStillFlies” post=“42124” timestamp=“1386614411”]
Even if you do that doesn’t it go “nuh-uh” and charge a fee for “larger” transactions anyway? I forget.
[/quote]I’ve never been brave enough to set it to 0.00 (I use 0.03 on FTC), but assumed that it would send (eventually–before the world ends) with no fees if set to 0.00.
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[quote name=“HopeStillFlies” post=“42124” timestamp=“1386614411”]
[quote author=Tuck Fheman link=topic=5663.msg42120#msg42120 date=1386613736]
[quote author=Kevlar link=topic=5663.msg41973#msg41973 date=1386584907]
So, anyone got a good way to make the QT client NOT charge a fee?
[/quote]I feel the answer is so obvious that you must be talking about something entirely different, but here it goes …
Set the fee to 0.00 in settings?
[/quote]Even if you do that doesn’t it go “nuh-uh” and charge a fee for “larger” transactions anyway? I forget.
[/quote]I think it does. And now with 0.8.6 (which was just released today) the fee rules are changing again.
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I’m over here on my knees having seizures of frustration that I can’t donate anything to this. :(
Oh well, every day I adjust cgminer in some way or another to try to get it to cooperate. One day it will.
I don’t have a problem sounding like a sycophant, because honestly, I think this project is awesome, so I’m watching it with stars in my eyes.
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[quote name=“Nixxle” post=“42343” timestamp=“1386646971”]
I’m over here on my knees having seizures of frustration that I can’t donate anything to this. :(Oh well, every day I adjust cgminer in some way or another to try to get it to cooperate. One day it will.
I don’t have a problem sounding like a sycophant, because honestly, I think this project is awesome, so I’m watching it with stars in my eyes.
[/quote]This project is exciting! Nixxle, do you have a thread over in Mining? Maybe someone can help you get cgminer working. I’m no expert, but I’d be willing to take a crack at it.
Kevlar - I just finished my first full night mining with my R9 290 that came in yesterday; expect some FTC floating your way very shortly.
…see what I did there…floating…huh?.. 8)
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Sounds like an amazing project!
Maybe I missed this explanation but, the blockchain becomes a yellow pages for warez? So you don’t use the warez link like a transaction to access it, its just a record of the location, stored on your computer instead of online… ie. it won’t keep a record of every person who accesses the magnet link?
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[quote name=“T4rQu1N” post=“42501” timestamp=“1386688371”]
Sounds like an amazing project!Maybe I missed this explanation but, the blockchain becomes a yellow pages for warez? So you don’t use the warez link like a transaction to access it, its just a record of the location, stored on your computer instead of online… ie. it won’t keep a record of every person who accesses the magnet link?
[/quote]‘Warez’ is a limiting term for what’s possible. Torrents can link to anything, including perfectly legal material, and in fact you don’t have to even use magnet links, they can be regular http/s links, or even the raw data itself.
No transaction spending is involved in it’s usage. It’s a covert channel: You’re downloading the blockchain for your coin, which is a perfectly legitimate thing to do, but due to the fact that numbers can have multiple representations, it’s possible to reinterpret the blockchain as other data… in this case magnet links. Once you extract that information from the blockchain, what you do with it is up to you. There’s no tracking involved, and in fact it’s not even possible for the network to see that you’re doing anything other than downloading the blockchain, because that’s what you are really doing. All Link processing happens offline on the raw blockchain data.
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[quote name=“MTRisner” post=“42499” timestamp=“1386688154”]
This project is exciting! Nixxle, do you have a thread over in Mining? Maybe someone can help you get cgminer working. I’m no expert, but I’d be willing to take a crack at it.
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I don’t have a thread in mining yet because I wanted to see if I could solve it myself first. So far I follow the threads and guides in bitcoin/litecoin/feathercoin, and then google out the individual issues I face and try all the different solution permutations suggested. This weekend I’m considering a complete uninstall of AMD/APP SDK drivers and try the solutions on this page:
[url=http://forum.feathercoin.com/index.php/topic,3520.0.html]http://forum.feathercoin.com/index.php/topic,3520.0.html[/url]But I might crack first and post my most recent error that cgminer is giving me.
[quote author=Kevlar link=topic=5663.msg42582#msg42582 date=1386699145]
‘Warez’ is a limiting term for what’s possible. Torrents can link to anything, including perfectly legal material, and in fact you don’t have to even use magnet links, they can be regular http/s links, or even the raw data itself.
No transaction spending is involved in it’s usage. It’s a covert channel: You’re downloading the blockchain for your coin, which is a perfectly legitimate thing to do, but due to the fact that numbers can have multiple representations, it’s possible to reinterpret the blockchain as other data… in this case magnet links. Once you extract that information from the blockchain, what you do with it is up to you. There’s no tracking involved, and in fact it’s not even possible for the network to see that you’re doing anything other than downloading the blockchain, because that’s what you are really doing. All Link processing happens offline on the raw blockchain data.
[/quote]Is it possible for someone to load a virus into the blockchain, such that if you download these torrents, you could really be getting an infected file?
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[quote name=“Nixxle” post=“42757” timestamp=“1386715660”]
Is it possible for someone to load a virus into the blockchain, such that if you download these torrents, you could really be getting an infected file?
[/quote]The blockchain is the virus (that will destroy government control[s]led money[/s]). ;)
Any source file linked to within the blockchain could be infected, as it could be right now not linked to within the blockchain.
I’m going to assume the answer to the question, “is it possible for someone to load a virus into the blockchain”, would be yes because I can’t think of a reason why you couldn’t. However, I’m awaiting Kevlar or zerodrama’s far more technically accurate answer. Perhaps I’m wrong.
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Thanks for answering. I just moved the question over here [url=http://forum.feathercoin.com/index.php/topic,5558.0.html]http://forum.feathercoin.com/index.php/topic,5558.0.html[/url] so I don’t accidentally hijack this thread with a technical discussion.
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[quote name=“Tuck Fheman” post=“42764” timestamp=“1386716510”]
I’m going to assume the answer to the question, “is it possible for someone to load a virus into the blockchain”, would be yes because I can’t think of a reason why you couldn’t. However, I’m awaiting Kevlar or zerodrama’s far more technically accurate answer. Perhaps I’m wrong.
[/quote]Viruses/trojans/spyware are harmless until you run them. All these are at this point is the torrents (the table of contents of chunks of data). So no it can’t infect your computer by having it on the blockchain.
Using a torrent is like using a link or an index.
You should however be careful not to run every random thing that comes along.
I’d also suggest that we could have seed addresses so that people might choose to send torrents to addresses and receive the coins that were spent creating the addresses. I’ll think about designing this.
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The donations continue to roll in. I can’t tell you how grateful I am for that. It won’t be until this weekend when I start burning through them in testing raw transaction generation, but I’ll be REAL glad I have them right about then. Can’t make an omlette without cracking a few eggs, and because you all are amazing, I’ve got about 400 eggs to test with.
This community continues to impress me. By working together, we’re creating something that I wouldn’t be able to on my own… or perhaps even of thought to do.
At this point I’ve got enough to test with so donations are not a limiting factor: It’s on me to finish what I started.
And I am. Tonight was a good night of paying off some technical debt and writing more encoding/decoding stuff for all the possibilities. Github is updated with the latest and greatest. Tomorrow I hope to finish them entirely and move on to raw transaction generation.
I’m pretty confident that at this rate, I’ll have something you all can start using before Christmas, but I can’t make any promises other than I’ll keep you all updated here, so stay tuned!
