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[quote name=“alexg113” post=“49545” timestamp=“1388774856”]
so, soon dogecoin and catcoin will also be able to use link, all the while, feathercoin is getting zero publicity, i am shocked at how this is being handled, it should be shouted from the rooftops but at the moment it feels like a horse trapped in the starting gate.poor form guys.
[/quote]Hmmm… I have mixed feelings about that.
The entire point of Link was to start the conversation about publishing in the Blockchain. That conversation has begun, and it may have gone like this: “Holy crap, 0.92 FTC just to publish one link? No friggin way!” and as far as I’m concerned that’s perfectly valid. The level of adoption may well not justify a price point at that level, meaning that the usefullness is severely limited, making any publicity potentially negative.
People have voted for Dogecoin adoption because of the price point, not because of some ideological this coin vs. that coin war. If Feathercoin is to become popular as a publishing venue for Link, either the adoption must increase to justify the price, or the price must come down. Either way, both of those decisions are in the hands of EVERYONE HERE, and NOT ME. I officially wash my hands of the decision making process regarding Link’s direction, and leave it in the stewardship of this community to decide on these critical issues.
The community has spoken, they want a streaming API, and they want Dogecoin support, and they’ll get it… potentially this weekend if all goes as planned.
If they decide to speak up again, and lower mining fees for Feathercoin, more power to them. And if they decide to use this as a tool for promoting Feathercoin, I’d be overjoyed… but I can’t expect them to if the utility isn’t there.
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[quote name=“Kevlar” post=“49553” timestamp=“1388776589”]
That conversation has begun, and it may have gone like this: “Holy crap, 0.92 FTC just to publish one link? No friggin way!”[/quote]I don’t really feel it has begun though, its like asking 10 people or 1000 people what they think of the price point to publish, and just for example lets say 30% of those people think it is fair, those 30% will then go and tell their like minded friends and colleagues, so you could have 3 or 300 people promoting link and subsequently feathercoin. And not forgetting those other 700 who didn’t think it was fair but will still mention it to people who might.
surely that’s how marketing works, not everyone will buy a product but more people knowing about it will mean more people buying it, and as result of that, some of those 700 who didn’t think the price was fair, now do. Its funny how psychology works.
[quote author=Kevlar link=topic=6518.msg49553#msg49553 date=1388776589]
Either way, both of those decisions are in the hands of EVERYONE HERE, and NOT ME[/quote]my comment was in no way aimed at you, I had read in a previous post you will be ‘sitting in the backseat’ in this regard.
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[quote name=“alexg113” post=“49564” timestamp=“1388782006”]
[quote author=Kevlar link=topic=6518.msg49553#msg49553 date=1388776589]
That conversation has begun, and it may have gone like this: “Holy crap, 0.92 FTC just to publish one link? No friggin way!”[/quote]I don’t really feel it has begun though, its like asking 10 people or 1000 people what they think of the price point to publish, and just for example lets say 30% of those people think it is fair, those 30% will then go and tell their like minded friends and colleagues, so you could have 3 or 300 people promoting link and subsequently feathercoin. And not forgetting those other 700 who didn’t think it was fair but will still mention it to people who might.
surely that’s how marketing works, not everyone will buy a product but more people knowing about it will mean more people buying it, and as result of that, some of those 700 who didn’t think the price was fair, now do. Its funny how psychology works.
[quote author=Kevlar link=topic=6518.msg49553#msg49553 date=1388776589]
Either way, both of those decisions are in the hands of EVERYONE HERE, and NOT ME[/quote]my comment was in no way aimed at you, I had read in a previous post you will be ‘sitting in the backseat’ in this regard.
[/quote]+1 rep for a great post. :)
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[quote name=“alexg113” post=“49564” timestamp=“1388782006”]
[quote author=Kevlar link=topic=6518.msg49553#msg49553 date=1388776589]
That conversation has begun, and it may have gone like this: “Holy crap, 0.92 FTC just to publish one link? No friggin way!”[/quote]I don’t really feel it has begun though, its like asking 10 people or 1000 people what they think of the price point to publish, and just for example lets say 30% of those people think it is fair, those 30% will then go and tell their like minded friends and colleagues, so you could have 3 or 300 people promoting link and subsequently feathercoin. And not forgetting those other 700 who didn’t think it was fair but will still mention it to people who might.
surely that’s how marketing works, not everyone will buy a product but more people knowing about it will mean more people buying it, and as result of that, some of those 700 who didn’t think the price was fair, now do. Its funny how psychology works.
[quote author=Kevlar link=topic=6518.msg49553#msg49553 date=1388776589]
Either way, both of those decisions are in the hands of EVERYONE HERE, and NOT ME[/quote]my comment was in no way aimed at you, I had read in a previous post you will be ‘sitting in the backseat’ in this regard.
[/quote][url=http://forum.feathercoin.com/index.php/topic,6624.0/topicseen.html]http://forum.feathercoin.com/index.php/topic,6624.0/topicseen.html[/url]
CheckaZ deserves some rep. ;)
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[quote name=“Kevlar” post=“49579” timestamp=“1388785965”]
[quote author=alexg113 link=topic=6518.msg49564#msg49564 date=1388782006]
[quote author=Kevlar link=topic=6518.msg49553#msg49553 date=1388776589]
That conversation has begun, and it may have gone like this: “Holy crap, 0.92 FTC just to publish one link? No friggin way!”[/quote]I don’t really feel it has begun though, its like asking 10 people or 1000 people what they think of the price point to publish, and just for example lets say 30% of those people think it is fair, those 30% will then go and tell their like minded friends and colleagues, so you could have 3 or 300 people promoting link and subsequently feathercoin. And not forgetting those other 700 who didn’t think it was fair but will still mention it to people who might.
surely that’s how marketing works, not everyone will buy a product but more people knowing about it will mean more people buying it, and as result of that, some of those 700 who didn’t think the price was fair, now do. Its funny how psychology works.
[quote author=Kevlar link=topic=6518.msg49553#msg49553 date=1388776589]
Either way, both of those decisions are in the hands of EVERYONE HERE, and NOT ME[/quote]my comment was in no way aimed at you, I had read in a previous post you will be ‘sitting in the backseat’ in this regard.
[/quote][url=http://forum.feathercoin.com/index.php/topic,6624.0/topicseen.html]http://forum.feathercoin.com/index.php/topic,6624.0/topicseen.html[/url]
CheckaZ deserves some rep. ;)
[/quote]ill put my feathers where my mouth is, 50 sent. :)
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[quote name=“Kevlar” post=“49440” timestamp=“1388736647”]
[quote author=sradics link=topic=6518.msg49027#msg49027 date=1388645365]
It’s mentioned that adding files to link consumes FTC’s - they are “virtually” taken out of the system by sending it to an FTC address with an unknown private key.
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[*]How did someone generate an FTC-address without knowing the private key?
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[/quote]The public key is encoded Link data. It’s not derived from a private key. Therefore, the private key is unknown, and can’t be found without a brute for search of the entire key space. Usually you derive a public key from a private one, but in this case, it’s the public key for some unknown private key.
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[*]How is it ensured that no one gets access to that FTC’s?
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[/quote]Because I can’t find that private key without search ALL the possible private keys.
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By removing FTC’s from the system and having a deflation … let’s predict a successful future for LINK meaning an increased sharing of information…[list]
[*]What happens if Link starts consuming too much FTC’s? It could concur with FTC as a currency to be available for trading other goods (although LINK and sharing information is a good too)?
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[/quote]Define ‘too much’. In deflationary economics, the price of a currency rises when the supply drops. The value will inflate to match the supply in accordance with the laws of supply and demand.
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[*]Is it maybe planned to reactivate the virtually consumed FTC’s
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[/quote]Assuming this were somehow possible, which it isn’t, this would make for terrible economic policy, and isn’t worth considering.
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And now - I’m outing myself … how do I create a magnet link? Did a short google but it’s mainly connected with torrent and clients where I have to add the file and could get the link for it - but is this the recommended way?
[/quote]Yes, best way I know is with uTorrent.
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About the blockchain … I already saw e.g. an embedded Linux distribution - assuming some hundred MB in size? If this data is really stored in the blockchain … does this mean I’m downloading this data with my FTC-Client? And if so - isn’t this a way to dramatically increase the disk space usage?
[/quote]The hash and some light meta-data is stored in the blockchain. The files themselves come from the torrent network, not the blockchain.
[/quote]@Kevlar - thanks a lot for all the clarifying answers. Helped me a lot to understand it better.
Let me shortly recap my understanding:
Link stores a kind of metadata like the magnet link and e.g. some search description and labels in the blockchain, but not the file itself (it’s stored in the torrent network). This means - link provides me e.g. a search service for torrent files (like at the moment). I assume this is just an example how to use link (as torrent file search services should exist already)?
The real value - mentioned with storing non destroyable data - is storing metadata or other lightweight information, that cannot be destroyed - right (as all the other data is in a torrent network and could be destroyed in there)?
Regarding the deflation … it’s just another kind of deflation like e.g. lost FTC’s due to a hard drive crash and lost private keys.
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[quote name=“Kevlar” post=“49553” timestamp=“1388776589”]
People have voted for Dogecoin adoption because of the price point, not because of some ideological this coin vs. that coin war.
[/quote]Yep. And fwiw [b]the donor paid FTC for the adoption[/b].
I’ve used Link more than anyone outside Kevlar (most likely – let’s check the blockchain!) and that’s probably the reason I see things differently than those voicing opposition to a blockchain agnostic free market approach. There also was no opposition to the blockchain agnostic approach when it was announced prior to Link even becoming a reality.
And another reality is, [b]this is Kevlar’s baby[/b] and he’s welcome to do with it what he likes. He asked for suggestions and he read them and he acted upon them and the free market spoke and now … this.
So, if anyone should be disappointed here it should be those that welcome free markets, open solutions and put their cryptocoin where their keyboard is and backed this project in the direction they want it to go. It’s not cool to put Kevlar in a position where he feels anything but joy for doing this for humanity. No one else did, he did. So chill out, please. Your precious coin will be just fine and you’ll still be able to spend all the FTC on Link as you want.
Dogecoin and Catcoin have no idea about Link outside a few people I’m sure. Instead of complaining in this thread about “lack of promotion” for [s]a blockchain agnostic app[/s] FTC, why not go promote it? It’s not going away, so go use it. Go donate to the project and guide it in the direction you want. It will be a good while before those coins promote Link I’m sure.
I just want to use Link and the cheapest method for me is DogeCoin. You’re more than welcome to use Feathercoin and always will be.
[b]One CPU, one vote[/b] … [i]and a few FTC[/i].
[quote author=Kevlar link=topic=6518.msg49553#msg49553 date=1388776589]
The community has spoken, they want a streaming API, and they want Dogecoin support, and they’ll get it… potentially this weekend if all goes as planned.
[/quote]Nice.
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[quote name=“Tuck Fheman” post=“49686” timestamp=“1388832823”]
I’ve used Link more than anyone outside Kevlar (most likely – let’s check the blockchain!) and that’s probably the reason I see things differently than those voicing opposition to a blockchain agnostic free market approach. There also was no opposition to the blockchain agnostic approach when it was announced prior to Link even becoming a reality.
[/quote]I would have liked feathercoin to have had a longer run before other coins were introduced, but that really wasn’t the point of my posts, I think that is quite clear.
[quote author=Tuck Fheman link=topic=6518.msg49686#msg49686 date=1388832823]
And another reality is, [b]this is Kevlar’s baby[/b] and he’s welcome to do with it what he likes.
[/quote]of course he is, at what point did I suggest otherwise?
[quote author=Tuck Fheman link=topic=6518.msg49686#msg49686 date=1388832823]
It’s not cool to put Kevlar in a position where he feels anything but joy for doing this for humanity. No one else did, he did. So chill out, please.
[/quote]This comment is ridiculous. I am saying the best way to promote feathercoin right now is by telling people about the product Kevlar created, so what ‘position’ am I putting him in? Also, if you had bothered to read my posts properly, you would realise that none of my comments were directed at him.
[quote author=Tuck Fheman link=topic=6518.msg49686#msg49686 date=1388832823]
Instead of complaining in this thread about “lack of promotion” for [s]a blockchain agnostic app[/s] FTC, why not go promote it?
[/quote]Again, read the posts, you do like to make a lot of assumptions.
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Ding,Ding Round 2. Now now boys keep the gloves up. No low blows. Wife; Get the popcorn ;)
That’s what’s good about this forum, healthy debate with passion. 8)
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Sorry for stupid question, but how to download the torrent in link?
i.e. I click Liberator schematic, my Bittorrent launch, but then it end with white screen and nothing is happening.
EDIT: it is working now
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Am i the only one who loads the Future tab and nothing comes up in the donate status area?
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[quote name=“dvsmasta” post=“49740” timestamp=“1388856643”]
Am i the only one who loads the Future tab and nothing comes up in the donate status area?
[/quote]When did you donated? Kevlar is real-life person so he can’t observe his wallet 24/7…
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[quote name=“Tuck Fheman” post=“49686” timestamp=“1388832823”]
I just want to use Link and the cheapest method for me is DogeCoin.
[/quote]And why exactly is it cheaper for you? ???
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[quote name=“JohnsonX” post=“49745” timestamp=“1388859008”]
[quote author=Tuck Fheman link=topic=6518.msg49686#msg49686 date=1388832823]
I just want to use Link and the cheapest method for me is DogeCoin.
[/quote]And why exactly is it cheaper for you? ???
[/quote]Because he has [s]shit[/s]load of Doge? ;)
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[quote name=“mirrax” post=“49747” timestamp=“1388859814”]
Because he has [s]shit[/s]load of Doge? ;)
[/quote]Yeah I understand he’s hoarding cr*pcoins, but maybe he can exchange a few zoo-coins (dog,cat,horses, whatever) for FTC and then use Link? Is that more expensive?
Also here’s my bitcointalk thread about this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=398745.new#new
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[quote name=“dvsmasta” post=“49740” timestamp=“1388856643”]
Am i the only one who loads the Future tab and nothing comes up in the donate status area?
[/quote]I’m very sorry that’s happening for you. The code relies on socket.io to populate that area, is there something going on with your firewall that would prevent a websocket connection? What browser are you using?
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Status update:
The CoinAccount code for doing multi currency wallets is at 80%. I’ve not run a single line of it yet, but I know it’ll all work as designed (yeah right!).
I plan on finishing it today, and moving on to Streaming API, and refacotring the code for Doge and Cat coin support.
I’ll probably post with another status update later today.
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[quote name=“JohnsonX” post=“49745” timestamp=“1388859008”]
And why exactly is it cheaper for you? ???
[/quote]vs USD : look at the price of FTC. Look at the price of DOGE. That’s why, and get this … it’s that price for everyone! ;)
vs Supply : I have a lot more DOGE than FTC.
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[quote name=“alexg113” post=“49706” timestamp=“1388844423”]
I would have liked feathercoin to have had a longer run before other coins were introduced, but that really wasn’t the point of my posts, [i]I think that is quite clear.[/i]
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[quote author=alexg113 link=topic=6518.msg49706#msg49706 date=1388844423]
so, soon dogecoin and catcoin will also be able to use link, all the while, feathercoin is getting zero publicity, i am shocked at how this is being handled, it should be shouted from the rooftops but at the moment it feels like a horse trapped in the starting gate.poor form guys.
[/quote]I understand you’re emotionally responding because you feel that your investment has somehow been threatened. The problem I have is [b]this is about Link, not Feathercoin[/b]. For me, it never was about Feathercoin, it’s about Link. This thread … it’s about Link, not Feathercoin.
Again, I do understand your response and I fully understand from where it has risen. I disagree 100% with your sentiment however and I hope I’m never stranded somewhere with you while you hoard all of the food so others don’t get it first (and you’d be willing to overpay A LOT to hoard all that food – so economically speaking I couldn’t get along w/u either). lulz
The point I was making about Kevlar is … he doesn’t need to have to deal w/these comments (so I am). Why come into his thread and start complaining about what he’s doing … because it’s not going the way [i]you[/i] wanted? Perhaps you missed out on the early discussion for Link, but this was all decided beforehand and Kevlar made it very clear up front and those who donated to get the project going got what they wanted, Link … a blockchain agnostic protocol.
I’d also add that I and I’m assuming zerodrama did you guys a favor by donating (our FTC) for DogeCoin and Catcoin support. Now you won’t have to spend your FTC to post to Link, but you still can. If you want to destroy your FTC to possibly increase the price of FTC in the future … go for it! No one’s stopping you. I’d rather destroy my “worthless Dogecoin” to submit to Link and keep my precious FTC as an investment. But that’s just me.
[sub]And let’s not forget the fact that “Feathercoin” openly wanted to ban Kevlar from this forum, yet [u]Kevlar still did this for Feathercoin first[/u]. He’s a better man than I.[/sub]
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[quote name=“Tuck Fheman” post=“49784” timestamp=“1388876668”]
[quote author=alexg113 link=topic=6518.msg49706#msg49706 date=1388844423]I would have liked feathercoin to have had a longer run before other coins were introduced, but that really wasn’t the point of my posts, [i]I think that is quite clear.[/i]
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[quote author=alexg113 link=topic=6518.msg49706#msg49706 date=1388844423]
so, soon dogecoin and catcoin will also be able to use link, all the while, feathercoin is getting zero publicity, i am shocked at how this is being handled, it should be shouted from the rooftops but at the moment it feels like a horse trapped in the starting gate.poor form guys.
[/quote]I understand you’re emotionally responding because you feel that your investment has somehow been threatened. The problem I have is [b]this is about Link, not Feathercoin[/b]. For me, it never was about Feathercoin, it’s about Link. This thread … it’s about Link, not Feathercoin.
Again, I do understand your response and I fully understand from where it has risen. I disagree 100% with your sentiment however and I hope I’m never stranded somewhere with you while you hoard all of the food so others don’t get it first (and you’d be willing to overpay A LOT to hoard all that food – so economically speaking I couldn’t get along w/u either). lulz
The point I was making about Kevlar is … he doesn’t need to have to deal w/these comments (so I am). Why come into his thread and start complaining about what he’s doing … because it’s not going the way [i]you[/i] wanted? Perhaps you missed out on the early discussion for Link, but this was all decided beforehand and Kevlar made it very clear up front and those who donated to get the project going got what they wanted, Link … a blockchain agnostic protocol.
I’d also add that I and I’m assuming zerodrama did you guys a favor by donating (our FTC) for DogeCoin and Catcoin support. Now you won’t have to spend your FTC to post to Link, but you still can. If you want to destroy your FTC to possibly increase the price of FTC in the future … go for it! No one’s stopping you. I’d rather destroy my “worthless Dogecoin” to submit to Link and keep my precious FTC as an investment. But that’s just me.
[sub]And let’s not forget the fact that “Feathercoin” openly wanted to ban Kevlar from this forum, yet [u]Kevlar still did this for Feathercoin first[/u]. He’s a better man than I.[/sub]
[/quote]I don’t think it would be appropriate for us to try and get disproportionate publicity over this. I have mentioned this project to two journalists including Danny at Coindesk. I would rather take this slow. The problem is if you jump up and down over a story like this with a catchy headline people end up buying on a rumour and hype and then get disapointed when the market wakes up and realises that it isn’t exclusive to feathercoin and the whale on BTCe milks it and accumulates more coins.
If you insist on getting rich, do it slowly in a way that is sustainable.