[DEV] Feathercoin Web Site Development & Artwork
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I beg to differ with the financial input, but that is your call. Saying it can only be done with money is to negate the skills the community has.
The design has to be a single unifying theme across all pages. Each page should not be created individually unless you are prepared to invest more money to cross future bridges. This goes against the point of making use of a strong CMS to manage the site as a whole. I’m sure you will not get a front end dev to fully create a responsive wp theme with everything we need for less than £1000, that is a bargain basement price.
If we plan to make use of a paid external commission to bring fruition to the design is the point that I’m out.
So to ask again, what theme or artwork have you finally decided on?
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[quote name=“chrisj” post=“53000” timestamp=“1389986820”]
[quote author=Entimp link=topic=6616.msg52978#msg52978 date=1389979826]
So what art work are we going with?
[/quote]In response to your earlier post, I very much want to bring Sev’s design (if we are agreeable) together with the power of your WP theme that you installed. This is going to have to cost money, producing anything of quality will and I think we deserve it.
[b]The problem with overloading the home page with content is that it actually hides the content because people don’t stick around and read it. The front page needs to be focussed. [/b]People don’t come to yoru website through the front door anymore, they come in via Twitter and Google etc. So their first experience may often be a forum post or a blog entry.
The overall design theme will be applied across the website at large and the social media once we are happy with it.
Things like the local map will be put under tools. As I said Sev is making variations on this design to see how it would work across the site on the forum etc.
I am up for hard work, I want a site we can be proud of and that does us justice.
[/quote]The point is void, as it is a CMS site… you can have whatever you want on the front page or equally as little as you want. In creating the example we have on the reboot site, I have used a pre-written page as an example. The mock ups that have been done can be recreated in the current CMS with ease.
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I just wanted to go a little bit more into what I meant by defining the FeatherTipper.
A travelling food blogger or photographer can tweet about their work, if it’s popular enough and they have enough followers who tip, essentially that pays for them to visit new places to blog about and take wonderful pictures of.
A new way of funding series and episodes. Something like an ongoing kickstarter within itself.
After each episode, if people tip enough they can make a new one. If they don’t reach their budget for a new episode, they still keep their earnings. I don’t think anybody would mind. Those tips were sent because they liked the last episode anyway. It’s only fair, and all done directly. That’s a sweet deal.
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[quote name=“Entimp” post=“53022” timestamp=“1389992235”]
So to ask again, what theme or artwork have you finally decided on?
[/quote]We haven’t, it’s still evolving.
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I think we should have more than one site running anyway, Stable and Test and Experimental.
Before I was ill, the company I worked for charged £1000 day for me, perhaps I should start charging?
And as an open source development we must at least try to do without proprietary systems, I try not to use them, if I know about it.
e.g. Could we contact KDE for advice on open systems to run the Web site?
If there any open source facilities we could move it to so it isn’t a burden on Peter’s or ChrisJ personal finances. What are the open source systems available to do our job, i.e how does Gnome do it?
and giving everyone a chance to donate is fairer and removes a potential long term criticism, based on our community ideal.
Are we making a video of it evolving?
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[quote name=“Calem” post=“51719” timestamp=“1389602646”]
[quote author=chrisj link=topic=6616.msg51712#msg51712 date=1389600341]
I would like is a Friends list where you could subscribe to feeds from people that you want to follow and a better notification system. Also the ability to tag threads would also be good.
[/quote]This.
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[quote] Friends list where you could subscribe to feeds from people that you want to follow [/quote]
Cool idea, don’t we have buddies?. What do they? do I never tried it.
Was anything similar on the list of currently available functions for simple machine SMF forums?
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[quote name=“Tuck Fheman” post=“53229” timestamp=“1390063990”]
[quote author=Calem link=topic=6616.msg51719#msg51719 date=1389602646]
[quote author=chrisj link=topic=6616.msg51712#msg51712 date=1389600341]
I would like is a Friends list where you could subscribe to feeds from people that you want to follow and a better notification system. Also the ability to tag threads would also be good.
[/quote]This.
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The forum I opted for has this plus about 150 other plugins. It will also has a migration script to export this complete forum and the whole user base. Bush needs to give the nod on this. -
[quote name=“Kevlar” post=“52759” timestamp=“1389905470”]
[quote author=Severino link=topic=6616.msg52757#msg52757 date=1389905306]
[quote author=Kevlar link=topic=6616.msg52744#msg52744 date=1389903431]
Presenting people with the download button before explaining what it is they’re downloading and why doesn’t seem nearly as newbie friendly.[/quote]
Hm, maybe have it a bit further down? Or at least have it after the blurb or [i]“why FTC, where get FTC, where spend FTC” [/i]section? [/quote]
Yes, I think you have it exactly right. The 3 blurbs first, then the downloads.
[/quote]Could the download section be improved to be “Get a wallet” section? Introduce different options… also mobile, paper, web? I personally like how different options are introduced on bitcoin’s web page.
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Can we part of this? Scrub that, something similar, can’t afford $40.
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I have moved Severino’s work on the ‘Merchant Guide’ to Development. It is related to the web site development, can members have a look?.
[url=http://forum.feathercoin.com/index.php/topic,6686.msg50338.html#msg50338]http://forum.feathercoin.com/index.php/topic,6686.msg50338.html#msg50338[/url]
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I have stewed over these thoughts for a few days now, and I’m not 100% keen on the direction we are taking. I’ll try to post my thoughts as lucidly as possible, bit tired.
What I think the goals are:
1: A modern looking website that stands head and shoulders with our peers. If we can looking down on them.
2: A CMS system that makes content creation simple and professional for all wishing to be involved.
3: A CMS system that publishes all content into a common unifying theme. Forums, tools, blogs, pages, guides, maps and anything else you care to imagine.
4: A CMS built around strong web standards that are supported by good CSS, functional responsive design and has access to hundreds of class act plugins.
5: A future proof infrastructure that will allow fast deployment of future ideas and technologies so that we don’t have to do this all again in the not too distant future.I don’t think there is anything to disagree with in those points, although some may wish to add to them.
I also don’t think we would disagree that a well supported CMS is key to the success to this endeavor. There are 3 that I would choose from. It seems WordPress is the current favourite.
That said we need to focus the design concepts around how they fit in to a responsive (desktop, mobile, tablet, web tv etc) model and how all pages will render.
I’ve not seen any great examples of this.
The current best choice (from what I can tell from reading comments in this thread) is okay from a mock up.
The black/dark background with light text is the wrong direction imho. I would like to see how a forum or article is going to fit into that style? Light text on a dark background is a big no for content rich pages. Do you plan to flip the colours when there is a need? That option would be daft and create contrast issues with an overall theme. It would also lend it self to needing two themes created and a plugin created or installed to style each page as needed.
My suggestion is we use the current theme on the reboot site.
Don’t look at it in it’s current form. At all. Every single aspect of the page can be edited from colours to fonts. It can be made to look like any creation you care to dream of. It can be done without sliders or with sliders. The theme will then transfer to every page you create, every plugin you install, every tool we hard code via custom pages.
It has a wealth of content rich and jquery enabled shortcodes.
It is built with Mailchimp and Twitter in mind.
I have researched using it with a new fully automated version of our local maps… allowing users to fully submit, edit and remove their own pins with unlimited categories. No longer a need to have an email sent in order for someone to physically add a pin.
I stress again, it can look like any theme you care to imagine without the need of paying someone to do this who will only provide a tiny fraction of the functionality at an exuberant cost.
It has a well supported forum that has 150 specific plugins for this alone. It also has a migration tool specific to the current forum we use to the new potential forum.
The shortcodes are rich and diverse, allowing users to create professional pages and articles with ease.
I really don’t understand why we are re-creating the wheel here. I very honestly feel that any commission we farm out will fall far short of what the current framework offers. In fact I know it will fall far short.
I am a little concerned that the site redesign is going to move on without considering anything other than how the front page looks. I’d like to see some more research and suggestions on the overall site theme and what tools we use to make them work.
Has the template been decided on and farmed out already? Or are we still working on this?
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[quote name=“Entimp” post=“53515” timestamp=“1390179983”]
[b]It [/b]has a well supported forum that has 150 specific plugins for this alone. [b]It[/b] also has a migration tool specific to the current forum we use to the new potential forum.
[/quote]I agree with what you’re saying above, but please define “[b]It[/b]”. I wasn’t sure after reading, thanks!
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Sloppy grammar… sorry.
The CMS, Wordpress, has a well supported forum (BBpress) that has 150 specific plugins. The forum also has a migration tool specific to the current forum we use (SMF) to the new potential forum (BBpress).
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I have added review web site security.
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[quote name=“Ville” post=“53254” timestamp=“1390069749”]
[quote author=Kevlar link=topic=6616.msg52759#msg52759 date=1389905470]
[quote author=Severino link=topic=6616.msg52757#msg52757 date=1389905306]
[quote author=Kevlar link=topic=6616.msg52744#msg52744 date=1389903431]
Presenting people with the download button before explaining what it is they’re downloading and why doesn’t seem nearly as newbie friendly.[/quote]
Hm, maybe have it a bit further down? Or at least have it after the blurb or [i]“why FTC, where get FTC, where spend FTC” [/i]section? [/quote]
Yes, I think you have it exactly right. The 3 blurbs first, then the downloads.
[/quote]Could the download section be improved to be “Get a wallet” section? Introduce different options… also mobile, paper, web? I personally like how different options are introduced on bitcoin’s web page.
[/quote]Pete (@555) our UX designer advised tailoring the mobile experience so that the wallet download took them to the Google Play store if they were on Android and point them somewhere else if on iPhone. That way we aren’t wasting people’s time. I like home pages that are sign posts to popular questions.
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[quote name=“Entimp” post=“53515” timestamp=“1390179983”]
I have stewed over these thoughts for a few days now, and I’m not 100% keen on the direction we are taking. I’ll try to post my thoughts as lucidly as possible, bit tired.What I think the goals are:
1: A modern looking website that stands head and shoulders with our peers. If we can looking down on them.
2: A CMS system that makes content creation simple and professional for all wishing to be involved.
3: A CMS system that publishes all content into a common unifying theme. Forums, tools, blogs, pages, guides, maps and anything else you care to imagine.
4: A CMS built around strong web standards that are supported by good CSS, functional responsive design and has access to hundreds of class act plugins.
5: A future proof infrastructure that will allow fast deployment of future ideas and technologies so that we don’t have to do this all again in the not too distant future.I also don’t think we would disagree that a well supported CMS is key to the success to this endeavor. There are 3 that I would choose from. It seems WordPress is the current favourite.
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I agree with all of those. I love what you did on the demo site, did you see my video?
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That said we need to focus the design concepts around how they fit in to a responsive (desktop, mobile, tablet, web tv etc) model and how all pages will render.
[/quote]Quite.
[quote]I’ve not seen any great examples of this.[/quote]
Sev has put forward some designs but so far he is the only one. I would love to see some others come up with alternatives so that we can have a discussion about what we like. It’s important we get a design that represents us all.
[quote]The black/dark background with light text is the wrong direction imho. I would like to see how a forum or article is going to fit into that style? Light text on a dark background is a big no for content rich pages.[/quote]
I have the same concern. I spoke to Pete (@555) about it and he felt that it would be simple to do a variation on the theme for content rich pages. I also asked @Sev to come up with lighter versions. So far this is the only option we have so if you have some ideas I would love to see some.
[quote]My suggestion is we use the current theme on the reboot site.[/quote]
Thus far my plan has been to use it.
[quote]I really don’t understand why we are re-creating the wheel here. I very honestly feel that any commission we farm out will fall far short of what the current framework offers. In fact I know it will fall far short.[/quote]
I am not sure what you mean by farming out. @Sev and @555 were introduced to Feathercoin via the SMS Wallet over teh summer. They were already part of the community although Peter was not active on the forums. Sev was the only one who put forward a design so that’s all we have to go on right now. You put forward a fantastic CMS which I love and plan to use.
In terms of paying, it’s a case of basic economics. We can’t expect people to work for free because in reality there is no such thing. When people say free they usually mean they are passing the cost on to someone else. It also tends to favour people who are independently wealthy and deprives poorer folk of opportunities.
Also having asked around it doesn’t sound like this is going to cost very much so if you have different information I need to know. I think the cost of having the website staying as it is is really really hurting us. It is the number one complaint we get and doesn’t do us justice. Every day it remains is a wasted opportunity.
[quote]I am a little concerned that the site redesign is going to move on without considering anything other than how the front page looks.[/quote]
Yeah we need to look at the whole site, @555 has given us some free feedback on that and it needs to be fed in to this discussion but I didn’t want to crowd the thread.
[quote]Has the template been decided on and farmed out already? Or are we still working on this?[/quote]
No and yes. :)
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Thanks for the reply Chris.
With the recent malarkey over the forums and a very brief chat with Pete… I agree that the forums may have to be BB. There should be a ready made bridge that ties WP to BB. Porting the existing forum may be an issue though unless someone can find/create a migrate or export script.
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[quote name=“Entimp” post=“53672” timestamp=“1390323752”]
Thanks for the reply Chris.With the recent malarkey over the forums and a very brief chat with Pete… I agree that the forums may have to be BB. There should be a ready made bridge that ties WP to BB. Porting the existing forum may be an issue though unless someone can find/create a migrate or export script.
[/quote]Cool. Sev has done a lighter themed version of his design. I am going to ask him to put it up here or I could put it in the Google doc.
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Email it if you want. I can then show you how the current theme can be made to look like it. Look forward to seeing it.
