Scryptcloud owes you:
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lets wait and see if anyone gets anything first before we work out how to exchange it
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[quote name=“mhamilton79” post=“54972” timestamp=“1390665626”]
I just want to say that i have an appointment with my solicitor on Wednesday afternoon. Its my intention (provided Kevlar has finished the documentation by that time) to take everything along and get a clear understanding from a legal point of view were we stand as to Criminal / Civil proceedings and also obtain an outline of advice as to where we should move from that point.Regardless of if refunds come through or not i personally see this as a necessary next step forward
If indeed this is a criminal matter (which i strongly suspect it is), we already have members in Ireland that have agreed to take the information to the local police for us.
We might find that both Civil and criminal proceedings can be bought forward in this case.
After my meeting with the solicitor its my intention to forward the advice received to Kevlar who will then co-ordinate the next steps
Thank you
[/quote]I will have, and I’d be happy to provide it to your lawyer directly, who can share it with you if he sees fit to do so (I’m sure he will). It will contain the findings of everyone, including screen shots and ip addresses and all facts as has been sent to me in numerous PMs my many people.
I’m also speaking to Shane directly now, and it’s my intention to get this all resolved before such means become necessary. If we can settle this without involving the justice system, that would be preferable, because I can assure you that in the case of criminal action, the only people who will win are the lawyers. Your lawyer will tell you the same thing: The best outcome you can hope for is an out of court settlement. I’ll still give your lawyer the docs if you want to pursue that.
Regardless of what happens next, I’m working hard this weekend to organize this all and work things out in a way that benefits everyone.
Thank you for all your PM’s, if you haven’t already, please PM me your info, I’ll be releasing the refund sheet [u]before EoD today[/u]. When I do, if you don’t see your name on it, you’ll need to get in touch with me.
As for refunds, the best solution I can offer you is a percentage of the refund proportionate to your contribution at the time of it. So if you supplied 10% of the funds as calculated by the exchange rate at the time of the payment, and we get back 90% of the funds, you can expect to get back 10% of the total collected funds, which is 90% of your expenditure, and 9% of the total amount taken. This is the only fair way to do it that I can think of, because it assumes that the transaction was priced at the time it was made, and a proportionate refund means no penalties/rewards for using another currency. Of course if we get FTC, we’ll send FTC, but if we only get BTC, then you’ll just have to accept the difference in price between now and when you made the purchase, and I’m sorry about that, but I can’t give more to some people just because the exchange rate has changed. The refund worksheet will make this all clear.
I’ll be announcing hard [u]DATES[/u] by the [u]end of this weekend[/u] of when and how the rest of my effort will go down. We need deadlines to ensure everyone has time to participate and claim their refund, and get all the parties organized, because it very well may be the case we need to do a partial refund, and if that’s the case we need to know how much to send to who. It’s not fair to just keep saying, “We’re working on it”, so dates of when you can expect to get your money back are real important in my mind, and allows for transparency, while still giving everyone time to organize and communicate.
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I agree with you Kevlar that the best thing is of course refunds for everyone and working it out as a community…
However, it has to be apparent to Shane that if a single payment date is missed, legal/criminal action will proceed. One thing that has been shown to everyone here is that Shane can not be trusted in anyway what so ever! It’s more then possible he is taking advantage of the good nature of the community once again to stall and try and get away with it.
If any agreement is made there must be consequences for failure of Shane to deliver his end of the bargain, It only worsens what is already despicable behavior from Shane if he fails to deliver on any more promises made herein.
I will still proceed with the appointment with the solicitor as i believe its in everyone’s best interest that invested in scryptcloud.com - if anyone who invested disagrees with that then please let me know.
I have no problems in anyway covering the legal costs for this initial advice as we should all be very cautious of any further dealings with Shane. At the moment i am very confident this is a criminal matter but need to understand how that would be affected if we entered into a voluntary agreement with him. Criminal proceedings should never be removed from the table until this matter is resolved. I also think that any refund proposal or agreement made with Shane should be backed up with legally binding paperwork that he himself signs. That being said, Shane should provide you with the contact details for his solicitor for that paperwork to be forwarded to when the time arrives.
I personally am not prepared to enter into any kind of agreement with Shane purely based on his word alone. I feel confident that no-one else will want to do that either. Again if i am wrong, please let me know
I will speak with my solicitor on Monday and PM you her email/contact details for you to forward the information to.
This situation is far from over, but at least things seem to be moving in the right direction for the time being
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[quote name=“mhamilton79” post=“55077” timestamp=“1390690090”]
I agree with you Kevlar that the best thing is of course refunds for everyone and working it out as a community…However, it has to be apparent to Shane that if a single payment date is missed, legal/criminal action will proceed. One thing that has been shown to everyone here is that Shane can not be trusted in anyway what so ever! It’s more then possible he is taking advantage of the good nature of the community once again to stall and try and get away with it.
If any agreement is made there must be consequences for failure of Shane to deliver his end of the bargain, It only worsens what is already despicable behavior from Shane if he fails to deliver on any more promises made herein.
I will still proceed with the appointment with the solicitor as i believe its in everyone’s best interest that invested in scryptcloud.com - if anyone who invested disagrees with that then please let me know.
I have no problems in anyway covering the legal costs for this initial advice as we should all be very cautious of any further dealings with Shane. At the moment i am very confident this is a criminal matter but need to understand how that would be affected if we entered into a voluntary agreement with him. Criminal proceedings should never be removed from the table until this matter is resolved. I also think that any refund proposal or agreement made with Shane should be backed up with legally binding paperwork that he himself signs. That being said, Shane should provide you with the contact details for his solicitor for that paperwork to be forwarded to when the time arrives.
I personally am not prepared to enter into any kind of agreement with Shane purely based on his word alone. I feel confident that no-one else will want to do that either. Again if i am wrong, please let me know
I will speak with my solicitor on Monday and PM you her email/contact details for you to forward the information to.
This situation is far from over, but at least things seem to be moving in the right direction for the time being
[/quote]I understand. :)
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Well I’ve got some unfortunate news.
First of all the 8.885 BTC appears to have been unrelated, and tied to YET ANOTHER scam. At least according to FTClover. I’m still investigating.
The really unfortunate news is that FTClover has officially taken the money and run. He refunded one person 120 euros, but beyond that, I don’t expect to hear anything from him. So the refund worksheet is a little less important now, and getting the dox together takes the priority. I’ll be completing it this weekend.
He has admitted several things to me which might be of some interest:
#1: He never ordered any hardware at all. Ever.
#2: He used the money to pay off bank debt, so there’s a paper trail.I’ll be putting these details into my official report.
You have on your hands the potential for a class-action lawsuit for international wire fraud and theft. I’ve done my best to avoid that possibility, but at this point it seems inevitable.
For everyone who was taken by this, I’m very sorry. I hope you’ll continue to pursue legal recourse, and you won’t let this impact your opinion of the rest of the community, or the technology that is Feathercoin.
More from me tomorrow. :(
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Such a pity, I just read your chat log with him in the other thread and its amazing just how badly informed he is.
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So now is it time for pitch forks? ;)
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[quote name=“finalbillybong” post=“55150” timestamp=“1390725495”]
So now is it time for pitch forks? ;)
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[quote name=“finalbillybong” post=“55150” timestamp=“1390725495”]
So now is it time for pitch forks? ;)
[/quote]No, now is the time to organize. You’re stronger together than you are apart. Start a movement, and others will follow.
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+1 to Kevlar for all his efforts on this. Beer and Pizza sent to you my friend
UM
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hello all,
following the latest development regarding Scriptcloud project its seems that FTClover run away and his not willing to pay us back, so it is time to get together and find legal action and bring him to justice, little personal vendetta will not lead to anything even though i would love to (i am Corsican …hot tempered) so let use this link to share our informations and progress but i think we should not publish sensitive or private materials lets use pm because i am sure that ftclover will follow up on this one…and we don’t want to tip-him off on the progress.
let me know what you think
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[quote name=“FTClover” post=“54956” timestamp=“1390661337”]
I will eventually have everyone paid back, and I am waiting for kevlar to come online on skype so we can chat :) This will be resolved! :)
[/quote]FTCLover, I am extremely concerned about your mental health, please go to a doctor or hospital urgently
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[quote name=“Kevlar” post=“55152” timestamp=“1390726378”]
[quote author=finalbillybong link=topic=7176.msg55150#msg55150 date=1390725495]
So now is it time for pitch forks? ;)
[/quote]No, now is the time to organize. You’re stronger together than you are apart. Start a movement, and others will follow.
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The appointment with my solicitor stands. This gives Kevlar a few more days to sort out all the information needed.
Once we have the actual legal advice, we can make a decision how to proceed from there.
Any information that anyone has should be Pm’d to Kevlar as soon as possible. All information will be included in the file sent to my solicitor.
There is really nothing else to say at this point, I guess once the legal advice has happened Kevlar can make an official announcement or something??
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Bump.
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[quote name=“Calem” post=“55376” timestamp=“1390794608”]
Bump.
[/quote]Second that shouldn’t drop off page one of forum till resolved, the more people that see this news the better
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Whats all this about? :o
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[quote name=“Joe90” post=“55392” timestamp=“1390797050”]
Whats all this about? :o
[/quote]Go back to page one and read the thread…
or tl:dr
A series of unfortunate events that will be sorted out as quick as it arose.
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[quote name=“mhamilton79” post=“55378” timestamp=“1390794746”]
[quote author=Calem link=topic=7176.msg55376#msg55376 date=1390794608]
Bump.
[/quote]Second that shouldn’t drop off page one of forum till resolved, the more people that see this news the better
[/quote]right
