Scryptcloud owes you:
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I, for one, have no problem with street justice. You know, the kind that involves said person walking around covered in something sticky and glitter.
I think it’s sad that we’ve bought into the propaganda that what anyone, who isn’t in a cubicle during the 9-5 period, wants is to harm people.
Anyway, that’s my story and Imma sticky to it.
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Wow. Your effort into this is really incredible Kevlar. I would have never gotten involved in something like this.
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Kevlar never fails to amaze.
Here’s what I don’t get, and it’s what made me want to step it out and try to assist up until he started taunting members; if you were going to run a fairly-long style scam, diving into a community in order to build rapport, why would you ever use your real name? Your address? Connect from home? Why continue to talk and even disclose what’s gone on up to this point, admitting wrongdoing but being adamant about a supposed loophole --why not cut and run?
I don’t mean to make a cookbook for “how to do it”, but the reality is that he totally would’ve completely gotten away with it IF:
a) From the start he used a name and identity that doesn’t connect to his own, one that is regionally different (Are you a Reginold? Okay, now your name is Cletus.)
b) Pay for a VPN with BTC you acquired away from your identity.
c) Use that VPN to connect to a SOCKS5 proxy (of which can also be bought anonymously with BTC) within a particular region (Live in Ireland? You’re now Cletus from Alabama.) with your machine properly configured for this. Only use proxies within that region to connect to the board, never your home connection.
d) Build that rapport and build that company.
e) When the money starts coming in, start buying equipment you can get your hands on and documenting it online; couple of rigs (which you can also run through your VPN), [i]then[/i] start lying about delays of additional equipment you never ordered.
f) You will allocate the first few MHs to your first customers. They’ll give the go ahead to everyone else, “seems legit to me”, have daily blackouts in order to precondition people that it’s shaky, but that you’re working out the kinks (you do this to buy a few days extra time when people start asking questions later on when you go completely black), promise a month extension for those who will never see a single MH, increase the cost for wave 2, skim as much as possible on wave 2.
g) Check in daily. Reassure that you’re trying as hard as you can and plead that you’re at the mercy of NewEgg/Amazon/whoever. People will sympathize, and keep off your case.
h) When they start talking amongst themselves too much, cut. Kill your site, wash the coins, never look back. There’s no point in mediating since this was your plan all along.
i) Rinse, wash, repeat on the Dogecoin community and a gazillion dollars.**I accidentally a word. I will it.
So without that playbook, and by pretty much botching every single one of those steps, I have to assume he came into the community with good intentions. Came in honest. For a millisecond really did dream about cloudmining. And then got some terrible advice from someone else and reading articles on crypto and crime and convinced himself in his mind: “yeah…yeah! That could work!” Only problem is that he blew it months ago. He screwed the pooch even before he first typed “scryptcloud”.
I don’t understand why he’s giving so much information to Kevlar. The problem with a liar is when they’re lying they could be lying about lying when they’re lying. So to admit to spending it on personal effects… pretty brazen. A little too sure about his protections and rights.
I’ve been trying to wrap my brain around how this could’ve been pulled off legitimately and… it just can’t. You can’t crowdfund this sort of project. Someone is going to have to brunt the risk as one, or everyone brunts the risk of all.
Those of you that gave, you always and forever will have my sympathy, my empathy because my dad was exactly one of these types that always tried to pull a fast one on everyone else. And then he himself fell for the Nigerian 419 scam, sending us from middle class to owing everybody he borrowed money from for his “sure thing” until we disconnected completely from him (money wasn’t his only vice and sin to separate from him, but it played a role, and kept my mom teetering between staying with the jackass to live quasi-comfortably while still contending with his bullshit or living free, poor. Eventually decisions just make themselves.).
That said, please don’t turn this into a total blame-game. Yeah, it’s Shane’s fault. But at the same time you facilitated a lie. That’s not your fault and nothing to be ashamed of, but the weight of it should be blended down into a fine powder that you can mix, gulp, wipe your mouth off with your sleeve and proudly proclaim [i]never. again[/i]. You’ve been given a gift this month. Because it wasn’t your inheritance, your child’s college fund or the down payment on the dream home your spouse has had their eye on for a decade. It’s an expensive mistake and you may reel for awhile at what else it could’ve been used for, but it’s pennies, mere fractions of what could’ve been. Because now you know. Now you’ve learned. And you’re better people coming out of the other end of it.
Let people know if you just need to talk or if you need something we can facilitate. We’re a community. That’s what we are for each other.
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Kevlar:
Good job mate, well done …
Just on a side note though and my own personal opinion. Your empathy towards FTClover is admirable, but I wish you did not beat yourself up quite so much worrying about this poor excuse for a person. He deserves everything he gets, FULL STOP!
I only worry that your description of his coming punishment is unfortunately exaggerated. He is an adult, who clearly calculated and thoughtfully premeditated this serious crime (maybe he did not think through the finer details but he did to the extent that his two brain cells would allow), and he deserves the full weight of the law and any sentence that is heading his way.
I only hope that the victims of this parasite can be satisfied with this though, as unfortunately the chances of them seeing even a satoshi of the funds back is sadly remote.
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HopeStillFlies:
Please can you remove your post. I do not see how posting what amounts to advice on how to better cover your tracks in the event of setting up a scam is at all helpful!
Get rid now before any other opportunistic, would-be con artists, with average intelligence, like FTClover, read it and get some ideas …
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[quote name=“new2crypto” post=“55792” timestamp=“1390962456”]
Please can you remove your post. I do not see how posting what amounts to advice on how to better cover your tracks in the event of setting up a scam is at all helpful!Get rid now before any other opportunistic, would-be con artists, with average intelligence, like FTClover, read it and get some ideas …
[/quote]Hahaha…no.This is what causes problems in the first place.
Learn how people do things in order to build defenses against them.
Tucking your head between your legs and hoping no one takes advantage of you is how you become a victim.
I don’t believe in letting those in the darkness have that kind of power. I’ll shine a light on their tricks. Like showing people how an illusion works. If you see how they pull off sawing a woman in half in a box, your mind can apply how to solve other similar illusions without them using the same ingredients, thereby protecting yourself from “the magic”.
I didn’t name any companies, either. It’d take footwork to pull that off. And then the long con. And because I now documented how it’s doable, and you’ve read it, now you have an open eye and a clear mind to catch someone before they get completely away.
Do not be so quick to label all that makes you uncomfortable as unnecessary and evil.
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[quote name=“HopeStillFlies” post=“55793” timestamp=“1390962799”]
[quote author=new2crypto link=topic=7176.msg55792#msg55792 date=1390962456]
Please can you remove your post. I do not see how posting what amounts to advice on how to better cover your tracks in the event of setting up a scam is at all helpful!Get rid now before any other opportunistic, would-be con artists, with average intelligence, like FTClover, read it and get some ideas …
[/quote]Hahaha…no.This is what causes problems in the first place.
Learn how people do things in order to build defenses against them.
Tucking your head between your legs and hoping no one takes advantage of you is how you become a victim.
I don’t believe in letting those in the darkness have that kind of power. I’ll shine a light on their tricks. Like showing people how an illusion works. If you see how they pull off sawing a woman in half in a box, your mind can apply how to solve other similar illusions without them using the same ingredients, thereby protecting yourself from “the magic”.
I didn’t name any companies, either. It’d take footwork to pull that off. And then the long con. And because I now documented how it’s doable, and you’ve read it, now you have an open eye and a clear mind to catch someone before they get completely away.
Do not be so quick to label all that makes you uncomfortable as unnecessary and evil.
[/quote]It does not make me feel uncomfortable but it is just common sense. It did not take a lot of brain power for this person to dupe this money and you are only assisting other two bit cyber criminals in their possible endeavours to cover their tracks in the event that they try a scam such as this.
You even started your post by saying that you do not want to produce a ‘cook book’ on how to commit crimes like this, then you go on to do just that ::)
If you want to help people not get duped then simply promote tactics on protecting ones self by way of vetting people and using escrow services etc etc
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[quote name=“HopeStillFlies” post=“55788” timestamp=“1390962000”]
b) Pay for a VPN with BTC you acquired away from your identity.
[/quote]VPN? I didn’t know this, I would have thought using Tor would suffice.
Also, to who wanted those steps gone, remember security through obscurity doesn’t work.
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[quote name=“new2crypto” post=“55795” timestamp=“1390963395”]
It does not make me feel uncomfortable[/quote]
I beg to differ, you’re objecting and asking me to do something to accommodate you.
[quote]but it is just common sense. It did not take a lot of brain power for this person to dupe this money and you are only assisting other two bit cyber criminals in their possible endeavours to cover their tracks in the event that they try a scam such as this.[/quote]
Please, my post is spelling out the obvious with a garnish on the side of the manipulation tactics.
If they take my list there, verbatim, and try to pull the same scam on another community (oh snap! I forgot the last step, hang on… fixed), they’re still not going to get away with it. There’s at least two things that need to be addressed, that, if not, would still reveal the perpetrator.
[quote]You even started your post by saying that you do not want to produce a ‘cook book’ on how to commit crimes like this, then you go on to do just that ::)[/quote]
I think a “complete guide” would include links to the hows and wheres and a template for how to word things for the simple con artist to copypasta in order to pull it off.
I’m being pretty vague.
[quote]If you want to help people not get duped then simply promote tactics on protecting ones self by way of vetting people and using escrow services etc etc
[/quote]Nope, it’s not enough. Because a fool and his money are still easily parted.
You don’t play the fool hoping that others will bear the responsibility for your safety. You educate yourself.
Even if you lived in a city that is populated with 50% cops, a camera on every street and a tazer on your person, you still shouldn’t walk down dark alleys while proclaiming how much money you’ve got on you.
Escrows can be compromised, social engineered MITM, vouching is still vulnerable to the fact that people are human.
We may not be able to come to an accord on this.
[quote author=JohnsonX link=topic=7176.msg55796#msg55796 date=1390963590]
VPN? I didn’t know this, I would have thought using Tor would suffice.[/quote]
Tor is leaky. Flash on a site may give an identity away if someone worked hard enough to uncover the perp. Then there’s if the SOCKS5 connection fails and next thing you know the community sees you posting from a known Tor exit node.
Tor chain -> VPN -> SOCKS5 proxy may be a route to protect from that since a Tor exploit or the Flash issue will point to the VPN, but by then you’ve already added a superlative step.
Better for a site, the administrators, to see the VPN and assume it’s for work or they use it for torrenting or getting around filters or [i]whatever[/i], rather than see a Tor connection and automatically assume something is up.
Just an opinion and from scouring over information. I cannot give you a definitive without actually doing it myself, and I’ve not really had a need for it.
[quote]Also, to who wanted those steps gone, remember security through obscurity doesn’t work.
[/quote]Indeed.
"Well, I didn’t think you’d find my porn because [i]obviously[/i] my folder is labeled “TAX DOCUMENTS 2014.”
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On the internet you can find guides on how to make explosives with household items … But I do not think it helps protect anyone from potentially being injured by someone producing and using one, do you?
Teach people how to be vigilant, don’t teach other people how to commit crimes and get away with it …
We clearly have the same sentiment at heart, just differ slightly on methodology :P
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[quote name=“new2crypto” post=“55798” timestamp=“1390964249”]
On the internet you can find guides on how to make explosives with household items … But I do not think it helps protect anyone from potentially being injured by someone producing and using one, do you?[/quote][url=http://www.nationalhomelandsecurityknowledgebase.com/Research/International_Articles/Bomb_Basics.html]Yes.[/url]
[quote]Teach people how to be vigilant, don’t teach other people how to commit crimes and get away with it …
We clearly have the same sentiment at heart, just differ slightly on methodology :P
[/quote]No, because if you teach merely vigilance you only give sugar coated information. Nuggets that can be easily tossed aside as “oh, well, that couldn’t possibly be important”. You show how that bit is important, it solidifies it in the mind because you’ve essentially solved an equation and don’t just have a mix of constants and variables.
Vigilance won’t come from bullet points. The most dangerous enemy you know isn’t some untouchable boogeyman, it’s from the living, breathing, charismatic and likable guy that comes to all your functions and has a joke and a light for everyone in the room. You learn processes to see patterns. You use patterns to build defenses. You build defenses to prevent occurrences so that you’re not playing cat and mouse with a criminal, you prevented them from pursuing the tactics against you from the get go.
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Thank you Kevlar, you know we have done everything we can a Feathercoin forums to make sure this did not happen.
It is our only comfort that he/they, had to go around the market and escrow, forum members set up to stop these scams.
Members can help by reporting(report to moderator) the activity they think is suspect. The strikes aren’t made public, just highlight a review. Most spam posts are reviewed in minutes.
This means the part time, volunteer moderator team can quickly see if a problem is developing. Keeping the site safe is an important task members can easily help monitor.
I am already ill and disabled, this extra “stuff” it has also seriously deteriorated my health, worrying about what was going on, deciding and discusion on moderation etc.
Cheers again Kevalar, we’re not worthy.
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Lets remember FTCLover is the one frustrations should be thrown at. Tossing stone at each other is only going to further separate any uniting that is to occur in taking this too legal action before people start saying my “x” bitcoin isnt worth it, I got scammed, time to cut my losses.
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[quote name=“Artye” post=“55803” timestamp=“1390967888”]
Lets remember FTCLover is the one frustrations should be thrown at. Tossing stone at each other is only going to further separate any uniting that is to occur [/quote]That’s not what is happening, I doubt seriously n2c sees me as some adversary, we just have difference in tact of dealing with an issue, and that’s fine. When we get too circular (or more importantly for me, bored), we’ll stop.
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whats happening here? i paid 350 ftc for 1 month. is this project not going ahead?
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i should have known better i suppose. this ends my dealings with mining feathercoin. i only had 360 of them, and that took a long time to mine. not willing to start again.
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And with this, I’m closing the thread.
Kevlar, I want to express the gratitude of the entire team when I say that you went above and beyond the call of duty to try and sort this out in a way that salvaged something for everyone. Please do not take it too personally, you did more than pretty much any of us, including myself, were prepared to do. Thank you once again for displaying the dedication and the desire to succeed for the community which makes this community so special.
Having said this, I would need to stress that the ONLY thing to do now is to follow Kevlar’s advice, and pursue this matter within a legal framework, using the offer of information Kevlar has said he’ll make available to solicitors and lawyers. We will not be rehashing and discussing this matter ad infinitum on a public board, especially as there is most likely going to be a legal process surrounding this now.
If you feel the need to vent or discuss further, please do it in PMs, we will not be allowing any further public discussion on this, unless we receive notice of the outcome of legal moves, which will be communicated to the community.
I have often been described as (accused of?) a harsh moderator, and in this case I will live up to that reputation. I do this purely to protect the community, and any questions on this can be addressed to me personally by PM.
Stefan (wearing his Admin hat)
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There is a thread for registering interest in joining legal proceedings at the following link.
http://forum.feathercoin.com/index.php/topic,7292.0.html
Note that this link is ONLY for posting your own name and intent to join, ALL other communication MUST be via PM.
This thread will be very rigorously Moderated.
