Information on attacks
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I’ve been talking to Bushstar throughout the day on possible solutions. I look forward to touching base with him later tomorrow. Mitigating these attacks is priority 1, everything else is basically on hold.
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[quote name=“Lycanthroat” post=“12760” timestamp=“1370926111”]
I don’t know if this will help, but this was posted on BTC-e Trollbox earlier today. This is a screencap of messages to him from IsmailTM. Don’t know if it’s legit at all, but who knows, might be something.http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=35m2vr8&s=5
[quote author=Piedaddy link=topic=853.msg12709#msg12709 date=1370919812]
The only way you will catch them is if someone who is involved, was involved or was part of a group decides to brag about it , then maybe you will figure it out. Someone able to pull this off may have a huge farm(s) in a data center(s) somewhere on a anonymous proxy.With a lot of GPU farms becoming open from asics being released I would say expect some people to have some free hash time to expend.
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[/quote]I saw another screenshot of a conversation with IsmailTM. In that one he said he was running the attacks on FTC and ultimately they would take down Litecoin and Bitcoin. He said he could do this because he is building and has arrays of Fusion ASICs running at 200KH a chip and that the budget for this project is $3.2 billion. Eventually they are going to send the send the Bitcoin difficulty up by a factor of ten.
The most likely explanation is that this is complete rubbish :)
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[quote name=“Bushstar” post=“12898” timestamp=“1370944298”]
I saw another screenshot of a conversation with IsmailTM. In that one he said he was running the attacks on FTC and ultimately they would take down Litecoin and Bitcoin. He said he could do this because he is building and has arrays of Fusion ASICs running at 200KH a chip and that the budget for this project is $3.2 billion. Eventually they are going to send the send the Bitcoin difficulty up by a factor of ten.
The most likely explanation is that this is complete rubbish :)
[/quote]He sounds like a delightful chap! One not quite rooted in reality though…
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[quote name=“Bushstar” post=“12898” timestamp=“1370944298”]
[quote author=Lycanthroat link=topic=853.msg12760#msg12760 date=1370926111]
I don’t know if this will help, but this was posted on BTC-e Trollbox earlier today. This is a screencap of messages to him from IsmailTM. Don’t know if it’s legit at all, but who knows, might be something.http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=35m2vr8&s=5
[quote author=Piedaddy link=topic=853.msg12709#msg12709 date=1370919812]
The only way you will catch them is if someone who is involved, was involved or was part of a group decides to brag about it , then maybe you will figure it out. Someone able to pull this off may have a huge farm(s) in a data center(s) somewhere on a anonymous proxy.With a lot of GPU farms becoming open from asics being released I would say expect some people to have some free hash time to expend.
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[/quote]I saw another screenshot of a conversation with IsmailTM. In that one he said he was running the attacks on FTC and ultimately they would take down Litecoin and Bitcoin. He said he could do this because he is building and has arrays of Fusion ASICs running at 200KH a chip and that the budget for this project is $3.2 billion. Eventually they are going to send the send the Bitcoin difficulty up by a factor of ten.
The most likely explanation is that this is complete rubbish :)
[/quote]Indeed. Scrypt ASICs at 200KH/s per chip, 3.2 milliard USD budget… Who is going to provide them with such a huge investment? What’s the profit if they succeed in taking down all major cryptos?
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IPtables wont stop a DDoS on this or any other site.
All you need is a few botnets mashing the page refresh and the DB server will crap itself. Or have the same botnets send extended pings and the wan links will flood etc.
True DDoS protection (if there is such a thing) costs 100s to 1000s per month.
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Any more of these around? Really interesting to see that.
I have a huge suspicion that the market is being heavily manipulated by a few big players and this only shows that to be possibly true. Since everything is easily anonymized you can work together with groups of other individuals and completely manipulate the market. A coin like FTC offers huge gains since you can buy a much larger quantity vs BTC or other coins. I am really surprised no one severely pumped CNC since you could make enormous amounts on it.
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[quote name=“Lycanthroat” post=“13220” timestamp=“1370987895”]
Just a fair warning expect a huge uptick in FTC followed by a massive crash. These guys are here to make big money and do not care about anything else.
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[quote author=justabitoftime link=topic=853.msg13245#msg13245 date=1370991269]
This is just my opinion, nothing more. Everyone in trollbox is:
- Rich
- Smarter than you
- Good looking
- Huge member
- Part of an inside group
- Just plain right
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Has the operator/owner of the feathercoin domain considered getting cloudflare to deter DDOSers?
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The attacker’s coins are moving. Quite easy to track from the starting address.
http://explorer.feathercoin.com/address/6tbxs8oikuwjmTFwnitNmfQWsBb1WgUg7sWonder if Btc-e is keeping an eye on it. Seems a lot of effort to have got 4k USD.
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Let’s please avoid calling people out . Rumors, especially in relation to trollbox need to be left in trollbox. :)
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[quote name=“Smoothie” post=“13357” timestamp=“1371000558”]
Has the operator/owner of the feathercoin domain considered getting cloudflare to deter DDOSers?
[/quote]I am getting on this today :)
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[quote name=“erk” post=“13535” timestamp=“1371024496”]
Article on the attacks:http://www.thegenesisblock.com/the-51-attack-what-bitcoin-can-learn-from-alt-coin-experiments/
The author assumes the FTC confirmation time was 2.5 min, and it was really about 30min at the time of the attack, so he didn’t research it all that well.
[/quote]My response:
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zerodrama
June 13, 2013Bitcoin is not distributed. Not in holdings, not in influence, not in innovation, not even in decision making. The last democratic decision made was during their hard fork (which didn’t even add new features).
Also the author is incorrect about a few points:
The attackers are not encouraged by success, they are driven by whatever purist nonsense they believe in. A rollback would only drive legitimate miners out. Also, by virtue of the fact that the attacker hates the coin, when they get tired of attacking they will try to dump the coins. At that point they become the community’s coins as if they had been generated legitimately, so it’s all for nothing.Second, we were not at the 2.5 minute mark, we were at 30 minutes to an hour thanks to the fact that our hard fork added a new feature, as all hard forks should. We can handle stampedes and difficulty traps, unlike litecoin or bitcoin.
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[b]zerodrama[/b], well said. I doubt Bitcoin is going to learn anything from this anyway.
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Going through DDOS right now?
Site was down for a minute and daemon is down.
Edit: NVM
Probably due to upgrading to cloudflare
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That was me. The new IP address took a while to kick in for some reason!
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great info, thank you!
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[quote name=“Bushstar” post=“12898” timestamp=“1370944298”]
I saw another screenshot of a conversation with IsmailTM. In that one he said he was running the attacks on FTC and ultimately they would take down Litecoin and Bitcoin. He said he could do this because he is building and has arrays of Fusion ASICs running at 200KH a chip and that the budget for this project is $3.2 billion. Eventually they are going to send the send the Bitcoin difficulty up by a factor of ten.The most likely explanation is that this is complete rubbish :)
[/quote]Art of Trolling - How to Finish - [b]Method 32[/b] : Increase ridiculousness of statements as you become aware of the keen catching on, but not enough to clue in the less adept at given subject matter.
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100 confirmations on btc-e because of the attack.
Is the attack over? If yes why btc-e didnt decrease the confirmations? -
I dunno but I’m more than a little upset by it! :(
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the reason is that we can be under attack and it’s when they need to be ready. so it’s preventive of a new attack. they can’t detect the attack before they get potentially screwed so can’t adjust the confirm in real time so they stay safe.
we are in big danger when the hash rate is below 1.5Gh/s like yesterday. when we are mostly over 2.5Gh/s we are on the safer side as far as we know from previous attack. between 1.5 and 2.5Gh/s we are in danger zone, but the attacker has to coordinate a bit and some luck-bad luck can make the attack more or less difficult so can require very long attack to orphan the original chain or even fail.
if I was BTC-e I would not lower the confirm either unless FTC has a minimal legitimate 2Gh/s. we can’t guaranty that 2Gh/s at all time now so they need to stay in the safe side with high confirm number :-[
