A Possible Future with DPoS, etc.
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“The Future of Feathercoin - FTC v2 (FT2)”
Can anyone tell me why FT2 is discussed in this thread as the future of FTC if it has absolutely nothing to share with it?
Kevlar says he isn’t interested to write code for FTC, doesn’t want its current block chain or anything else related. FT2 seems to emerge as a completely independent coin, DPoS based, ICO and/or PoB started, etc. I also see Kevlar’s reluctance to accept FTC for PoB on his new coin’s launch. Hence the whole point of this debate seems to seize the Feathercoin brand and a part of the community for this new project.
I’m not reluctant. You can do whatever you want.
The solution just doesn’t work the same way if you do that. It doesn’t gain the same market adoption, it doesn’t have the same potential for valuation, and it can’t gain mass market adoption by artificially limiting your initial valuation. It’s fine if you want to do it, it’s just not going to result in much for all the reasons discussed endlessly in the Slack. You can totally do it. And then you’ll have the same 10 people voting to elect everyone else into power. I hardly see the point in that.
I don’t know were you got the idea that it ‘has absolutely nothing to share with it’. Do you understand what it means to provide complimentary services which have the potential to make the existing token more relevant and the existing blockchain more secure? Or did you skip over that part of the explanation?
This is NOT a debate. Well, at least there’s nothing that I’m debating. This is a question and answer opportunity. If you have questions, we’re happy to answer them. The point of it is to answer questions about the new models we’re exploring, not ‘sieze’ anything from anyone. Why do you keep repeating that lie?
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Kevlar, you cannot start a new coin with a new block chain and claim the Feathercoin name if the current chain doesn’t die. You know it won’t die even if you allocate replacement coins in the new chain either by PoB or snapshot because I don’t think the majority will follow you.
You say this isn’t a debate. Well, you are here to convince everyone that your project is the way to go. If you fail here, everything else is futile and irrelevant. Let’s cut the [profanity] and get straight to your code and business plan. If you have none so far, the whole affair is a waste of time.
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You say this isn’t a debate. Well, you are here to convince everyone that your project is the way to go. If you fail here, everything else is futile and irrelevant. Let’s cut the [profanity] and get straight to your code and business plan. If you have none so far, the whole affair is a waste of time.
I’m glad I’m not going insane with the logic warping going on here. Putin would be proud.
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what scares me the most about crypto communities is how many can’t get the head around the true potential of p2p alts to fiat, but instead want to derail the opportunities with their would be entrepreneurship. its seem to attract all the wannabe bankers and wanna be corporate wankers who can’t escape the old world fiat systems.
i’ve said it many times before maybe bitcoin was just a social expertiment to show when given the opportunity most people become the greedy bankers they so oppose when they first join this crypto community.
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Kevlar, you cannot start a new coin with a new block chain and claim the Feathercoin name if the current chain doesn’t die. You know it won’t die even if you allocate replacement coins in the new chain either by PoB or snapshot because I don’t think the majority will follow you.
You say this isn’t a debate. Well, you are here to convince everyone that your project is the way to go. If you fail here, everything else is futile and irrelevant. Let’s cut the crap and get straight to your code and business plan. If you have none so far, the whole affair is a waste of time.
Yes, I can. The proof is in every other coin that was started after this one without the community’s permission.
You speak of this community as if it’s a ‘majority’. It’s not. It’s a tiny TINY representation of the market.
That’s correct, this isn’t a debate. I’m not here to convince anyone of anything. I cannot fail here, because I’ve already succeeded in educating everyone about an idea. Nothing about the model is futile or irrelevant, no matter how hard you wish it to be so. It remains relevant, tested, proven, and entirely viable, no matter how much you pour cold water on it.
Let’s cut the [profanity]: There is no code and business plan. That’s the same lie you keep repeating that we keep telling you is a lie. The whole affair isn’t a waste of time, now lots of people know about an alternative to PoW and about the new services that these types of blockchains offer.
Please, quit the trolling. You’re starting to sound like Mirrax.
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Let’s cut the crap: There is no code and business plan. That’s the same lie you keep repeating that we keep telling you is a lie. The whole affair isn’t a waste of time, now lots of people know about an alternative to PoW and about the new services that these types of blockchains offer.
Please, quit the trolling. You’re starting to sound like Mirrax.
That’s all I need to know. Sorry, not interested in your rhetorics.
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what scares me the most about crypto communities is how many can’t get the head around the true potential of p2p alts to fiat, but instead want to derail the opportunities with their would be entrepreneurship. its seem to attract all the wannabe bankers and wanna be corporate wankers who can’t escape the old world fiat systems.
i’ve said it many times before maybe bitcoin was just a social expertiment to show when given the opportunity most people become the greedy bankers they so oppose when they first join this crypto community.
I totally agree Kelsey. The entire opportunity is to ditch those broken, centralized models and move boldly and bravely into a new trustless solution. Of course that won’t just happen over night, but the revolution has very much begun.
One of the major opportunities with blockchains is to provide these services free of the centralization of ‘entrepenuership’, ‘wanna be bankers’, and 'wanna be corporate wanker’s model. By moving these type of services to a blockchain, you can eliminate the centralization entirely, while maintaining all that is great about the services, and creating a trust-less service provider.
Wouldn’t you agree that should be our goal? To utilize these technologies to move us off the centralization of corporations and onto trustless service providers which cannot be hacked, siezed by the government, while middle men take a cut at every opportunity? Isn’t that what you would like to see? An end to the banking model, and a switch to a p2p replacement?
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That’s all I need to know. Sorry, not interested in your rhetorics.
Well you could have picked that up in the opening statement. I guess you didn’t read it though huh?
I understand you’re not interested in learning. That’s fine. Others are.
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I totally agree Kelsey. The entire opportunity is to ditch those broken, centralized models and move boldly and bravely into a new trustless solution. Of course that won’t just happen over night, but the revolution has very much begun.
One of the major opportunities with blockchains is to provide these services free of the centralization of ‘entrepenuership’, ‘wanna be bankers’, and 'wanna be corporate wanker’s model. By moving these type of services to a blockchain, you can eliminate the centralization entirely, while maintaining all that is great about the services, and creating a trust-less service provider.
Wouldn’t you agree that should be our goal? To utilize these technologies to move us off the centralization of corporations and onto trustless service providers which cannot be hacked, siezed by the government, while middle men take a cut at every opportunity? Isn’t that what you would like to see? An end to the banking model, and a switch to a p2p replacement?
100% agree, but it seems to be very distant from the direction you’re trying to take feathercoin.
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100% agree, but it seems to be very distant from the direction you’re trying to take feathercoin.
No, Kelsey, that is EXACTLY what we’ve been describing to you that you have failed to understand.
It’s really quite impressive how you can ask someone if they’d be interested in a solution, and they go “YES PLEASE!” but if you start to describe any single aspect of that solution, all the have is counter examples of why that solution hasn’t worked in the past when tried under completely different circumstances which are completely irrelevant to the solution being described, and are only too willing to dismiss any examples of it working, and the conditions which made it work.
They never actually stop to listen to the whole of the solution, they just go “Wut? ICO? [profanity]!” and tune the rest out, because they have all these preconceived notions about ICOs and people using them as a way to scam people out of their money. They never stop and hear that in a PoB ICO, the money is destroyed, so it doesn’t go to the ‘entrepenuers’, and it doesn’t even resemble a ‘bankers’ model, and that it’s only used to create the initial distribution and valuation and create a fair market price that the shareholders have a vested interest in maintaining the price of on day one.
They never stop to listen to the reasons why such a thing not only is desirable, but in fact a well tested and well proven model for establishing a fair market value for tokens on a blockchain that the market willingly maintains.
They just declare you incompetent and dismiss everything that you say that follows.
Pitchforks and torches.
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And for the last time, I’m not doing anything with Feathercoin.
PLEASE quit repeating that lie.
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And for the last time, I’m not doing anything with Feathercoin.
PLEASE quit repeating that lie.
so you’re not doing anything with the feathercoin, including launching another coin under the feathercoin brand?
you have this tendancy if someone doesn’t agree with your idea, that you have to label it as not understanding your idea.
and its not just semantics, you conitually show (and it itself shows gaping flaws in your ideas) you do not comprehend the most basic simplist terms price and value. (yes earlier you added a basic dictionary definition as a reply yet didn’t seem to comprehend what you copy pasted)
in anycase in cryptos you can’t use real world markets (where there are things of fundamental value) as an accurate analogy.
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so you’re not doing anything with the feathercoin, including launching another coin under the feathercoin brand?
you have this tendancy if someone doesn’t agree with your idea, that you have to label it as not understanding your idea.
and its not just semantics, you conitually show (and it itself shows gaping flaws in your ideas) you do not comprehend the most basic simplist terms price and value. (yes earlier you added a basic dictionary definition as a reply yet didn’t seem to comprehend what you copy pasted)
in anycase in cryptos you can’t use real world markets (where there are things of fundamental value) as an accurate analogy.
Yes, Kelsey, I’m not doing anything with ‘the feathercoin, including launching another coin under the feathercoin brand’.
Would you like me to call to your attention the times where I have stated this? In this very discussion even? And in others? And Calem has said it too? Shall I link you to where you replied to me saying I’m not doing anything at all?
I do not have a tendancy to do that at all. If someone doesn’t agree with my idea, I’m totally cool with that. They can not agree with it all they want. If they display a total lack of understanding of the idea being presented when expressing said disagreement? I will tell you: You’ve not understood the idea.
YOU, kelsey, have NOT understood the idea. You have labeled it as damaging when the opposite is true.
I’m VERY happy for you to elaborate on the WAYS in which the idea is damaging, because every time you do you demonstrate that you do not understand the idea. This seems to be the way people like you learn best: You put forth your incorrect understanding, and then are corrected on it. I can only surmise this because any attempts at telling you these things just results in you putting forth your incorrect understanding of it so it can be corrected.
Like, for instance, the purpose of an ICO. You assumed it was to model entrepenuership. You never asked who the funds would go do (they would be destroyed), or if there’s any examples of this with other coins that are NOT massive scams that have lead to a rock solid valuation of the services (there are quite a few). You never stopped to understand the merits of the model, you just dismissed it as bad, and I’ve spent the rest of the time explaining to you what it is that you have completely overlooked in your hasty assumptions.
I’ve not seen any evidence of a ‘lack of comprehension of the most basic simplest terms of price and value’. I didn’t copy/paste anything, I wrote that out without any reference at all. I’d believe you even a little if you were to show me what it is I’ve gotten confused, but you haven’t. You’ve just been trolling me.
Finally, your last statement makes me wonder if YOU have any idea what a ‘real world market’ is, since you seem to think that crypto-currencies are not a ‘real world market’. Since I’m making my living by profiting in said market, and that market is operating in the real world, and I’m paying my real world bills with that profit, I would beg to differ…
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“The Future of Feathercoin - FTC v2 (FT2)”
Can anyone tell me why FT2 is discussed in this thread as the future of FTC if it has absolutely nothing to share with it?
Kevlar says he isn’t interested to write code for FTC, doesn’t want its current block chain or anything else related. FT2 seems to emerge as a completely independent coin, DPoS based, ICO and/or PoB started, etc. I also see Kevlar’s reluctance to accept FTC for PoB on his new coin’s launch. Hence the whole point of this debate seems to seize the Feathercoin brand and a part of the community for this new project.
Bingo!
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Bingo!
Mirrax, [removed personal attack]. I’ve already addressed this: https://forum.feathercoin.com/index.php?/topic/9026-the-future-of-feathercoin-ftc-v2-ft2/?p=74870
The point of it is to answer questions about the new models we’re exploring, not ‘sieze’ anything from anyone. Why do you keep repeating that lie?
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Mirrax, [removed personal attack]. I’ve already addressed this: https://forum.feathercoin.com/index.php?/topic/9026-the-future-of-feathercoin-ftc-v2-ft2/?p=74870
The point of it is to answer questions about the new models we’re exploring, not ‘sieze’ anything from anyone. Why do you keep repeating that lie?
You was not listening a single line of what I said.
Instead you try to gain power and polish your ego with every post made.
Unfortunately for you more people are observing your [removed personal attack] and making they own conclusion.
Yet I am not calling you an idiot because you do not fit the definition of idiot.
So no, I am not an idiot. Do you even know what term idiot reffers to?
If not, than please educate yourself and try not to tear part of information I am providing to you out of context as always.
Read the whole article and make a public appology for start.
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And for the last time, I’m not doing anything with Feathercoin.
PLEASE quit repeating that lie.
Acknowledged. This thread has nothing to do with FTC, so may we have it renamed to something without Feathercoin / FTC in the title and move it to the Technical Discussion subforum? Although I see nothing technical in this discussion anyway, so Off-Topic may be a better choice.
We may focus instead on real issues such as getting v0.9.3 released finally and fixing the broken web site. What a joke it is now with no wallet download links and no detailed information on Feathercoin and its history.
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Acknowledged. This thread has nothing to do with FTC, so may we have it renamed to something without Feathercoin / FTC in the title and move it to the Technical Discussion subforum? Although I see nothing technical in this discussion anyway, so Off-Topic may be a better choice.
We may focus instead on real issues such as getting v0.9.3 released finally and fixing the broken web site. What a joke it is now with no wallet download links and no detailed information on Feathercoin and its history.
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yes i’m lost at why we now have a forum full of dribble about a new ICO coin that supposedly (stated by its constant pusher) has nothing to do with feathercoin,
on most forums this would be labelled as spam and those who continually publish it get banned.
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Move it. I tried a discussion but I’m I really can’t spend any more time on this.
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yes i’m lost at why we now have a forum full of dribble about a new ICO coin that supposedly (stated by its constant pusher) has nothing to do with feathercoin,
on most forums this would be labelled as spam and those who continually publish it get banned.
Well as is typical, you have failed to picked up on what the majority has already understood.
Which is just fine. Kill the thread, win the misinformation war, and continue on as if it never happened. I’m sure you’ll all be better off for it.
The majority has already joined up, and we are WAY better off without you 3 [removed insult]. We’re done here.
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You was not listening a single line of what I said.
Instead you try to gain power and polish your ego with every post made.
Unfortunately for you more people are observing your psychopatic diarhea and making they own conclusion.
Yet I am not calling you an idiot because you do not fit the definition of idiot.
So no, I am not an idiot. Do you even know what term idiot reffers to?
If not, than please educate yourself and try not to tear part of information I am providing to you out of context as always.
Read the whole article and make a public appology for start.
Yes Mirrax, you’re an [removed insult]
[removed insult] or someone who acts in a self-defeating or significantly counterproductive way.
That PERFECTLY describes this behavior of yours.
Do you understand why?
Because with every post I made, I was giving away my power, not collecting more of it. And yet you’re too dull to see that.
Because my ego is battered, bruised, and laying on the ground, beaten. You see, I thought I could show this crowd something interesting. Something amazing. Something really incredible. And for the most part? For all but 4 people? I totally succeeded.
But on those three people, I spent 90% of my energy, trying to show them something they would never open their eyes to see.
I do not fit the definition of an idiot. A[ ]hole? Sure. Evil? Maybe. Driven and passionate? Absolutely.
But you, Mirrax, are the very textbook case study for a person who constantly acts counterproductively. I’ve documented a small stream of this constant behavior on your part here: [link removed]
And so I will take my ideas and ride off into the sunset, because the team of 20 or so we built and the friends we made are SO much bigger than 4 [profanity] who want only to stifle any innovation which does not have their name attached to it.
Goodbye, good luck, and [removed profanity] Mirrax. You are the reason Feathercoin will never go anywhere. I hope you sleep ok at night knowing that.
