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    • zerodrama
      zerodrama Regular Member last edited by

      YES! I have it. I’m not sure how the delayed rate is distributed in pools, but if we were to figure out the expected difficulty at the retarget using some kind of vote by all the nodes based on a fixed formula, by the same means we would be able to kill fake chains simply because their votes would not be organic.

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        ChristianRiesen Regular Member last edited by

        You are mixing things a bit. There is only ONE genesis block in FTC, the very first one :)

        The 120 confirms is something that is default on mcfee, the most used software for pools. There is no limit by the network at all in this. Technically, after 1 confirm it’s “legit” but the network clients themselves decide when it’s enough. The QT client says 6. Mcfee says 120. Some pools altered that down to 20 which I find more than plenty. If I was doing something that required some security, I would go for 10 (on FTC). In Worldcoin I’d probably go 1000.

        I currently got more cards working as they should, so my output more than doubled and I provide about 20% of the hashing power on d2, which equals to about 40 FTC every time the pool hits a block. With the current delay the pool soon will release the funds for blocks mined 5 days ago, when my rig was still pushing fairly low numbers. 5 days is a loong time on the internet.

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        • zerodrama
          zerodrama Regular Member last edited by

          I’m refering to the origin blocks for coins as they are created.

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            FoBoT last edited by

            isn’t it just variance?
            https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Mining_pool_reward_FAQ#How_much_will_the_pool_decrease_my_variance.3F

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            • zerodrama
              zerodrama Regular Member last edited by

              [quote name=“FoBoT” post=“9314” timestamp=“1370348806”]
              isn’t it just variance?
              https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Mining_pool_reward_FAQ#How_much_will_the_pool_decrease_my_variance.3F
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              No. Variance is the result of smoothed out luck.

              Our situation results from having 40 blocks per day instead of 576 blocks per day. It takes more than a day to pay in full.

              This is straight up time dilation, not just risk.

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                FoBoT last edited by

                but it is the same for everyone? or does it depend on which pool (or solo) you’re in?

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                • zerodrama
                  zerodrama Regular Member last edited by

                  40 blocks a day is network wide. The network can’t do the job until difficulty goes down some more.

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                    jeremiel Regular Member last edited by

                    [quote name=“ChristianRiesen” post=“9309” timestamp=“1370346527”]
                    You are mixing things a bit. There is only ONE genesis block in FTC, the very first one :)

                    The 120 confirms is something that is default on mcfee, the most used software for pools. There is no limit by the network at all in this. Technically, after 1 confirm it’s “legit” but the network clients themselves decide when it’s enough. The QT client says 6. Mcfee says 120. Some pools altered that down to 20 which I find more than plenty. If I was doing something that required some security, I would go for 10 (on FTC). In Worldcoin I’d probably go 1000.

                    I currently got more cards working as they should, so my output more than doubled and I provide about 20% of the hashing power on d2, which equals to about 40 FTC every time the pool hits a block. With the current delay the pool soon will release the funds for blocks mined 5 days ago, when my rig was still pushing fairly low numbers. 5 days is a loong time on the internet.
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                    hmmm… I’m at fcpool.com and we go up pretty quick. Maybe about a day or so lag. Though we are a smaller pool.

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                      FoBoT last edited by

                      i think if we are patient and with the good work of the PR/marketing dudes, this will all work out nicely in a few months
                      no worries
                      [img]http://www.treveccalive.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/The_Little_Engine_That_Could.jpg[/img]

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                        zythen Regular Member last edited by

                        Thanks zerodrama… I knew I wasn’t crazy :P

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