Scrypt Cloud Has Been LAUNCHED!!!!
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[quote name=“prensel” post=“49663” timestamp=“1388827932”]
Like the idea behind it !
Did even thought of doing this myself and offering hash-shares to friends and family (maybe rethink about it again…)Some questions though:
Why are you running Windows as an OS ?
Why not running your own P2Pool server(s) ?
[/quote]The only OS I am familiar with is Windows and also I can get it for free so why not :) and I wouldn’t know how to run my own pool :-/
And to keep things simple and have every rig doing the same thing near enough I want to mine with specific pools with one worker for each cryptocurrency then split the coins mined into shares according to mh/s :)
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[quote name=“FTClover” post=“49697” timestamp=“1388837453”]
[quote author=prensel link=topic=6481.msg49663#msg49663 date=1388827932]
Like the idea behind it !
Did even thought of doing this myself and offering hash-shares to friends and family (maybe rethink about it again…)Some questions though:
Why are you running Windows as an OS ?
Why not running your own P2Pool server(s) ?
[/quote]The only OS I am familiar with is Windows and also I can get it for free so why not :) and I wouldn’t know how to run my own pool :-/
And to keep things simple and have every rig doing the same thing near enough I want to mine with specific pools with one worker for each cryptocurrency then split the coins mined into shares according to mh/s :)
[/quote]Oh man, i think your a bit over your head.
How do you know how much each miner contributes to the total share count? Mhash do not reflect Accepted shares at a pool, this might vary, how do you divide this.
What about the pool fee?, it seems it would be more simple imo. to set up linux, activate ssh and give the “renter” the ability to mine what he wanted and to where he wanted.
But then again you are up with troubles regarding users pushing it to high, crashing rig etc.So the best would be to just get an persons user account name and worker on a pool and then you direct the power there.
So when you say you are renting out 1Mhash you are renting out 1 and 1/3 of a 280X card?. would it just be much more simple to rent away x amount of cards with promise of around X khash performance pr card?
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I am watching this with some interest.
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I’m going to come forth as a pessimist here…again…
Just know that I’m doing that to be friendly, even though it might sound like I’m just a pessimistic douchebag. ;) I’ve seen friends in the crypto business (mainly around btc) that got in over their heads, and it turned nasty pretty quick (dealing with other peoples money is always risky, sooner or later you get tangled up with the wrong kind of people)aanyways…
Have you thought anything about network & IT security for this project? A single miner here and there never draws much attention, but when you come forth as a service provider with a whole farm like yours, you’re going to attract attention. How will you handle that kind of situation?
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How are you going to prevent people from DDoSing and hacking the living sh*t out of your mining farm for their own purposes? -
You mention that you’ve got friends that might be able to help you locate the equipment? Why not setup 2 separate mining farms?
Sure you’ll have to do everything twice, but it seems to me that you’ll end up with 2 smaller (ultimately more manageable) mining farms, rather than one scarily big one.
In a residential context 40 GPU’s are a horrible supply/cooling headache.
Even 1 x 20 is frightening to me (let alone 2 x 20), but it somehow seems more manageable?
Also you don’t have all of your eggs in one basket.
Or is it the same difference? lol… I’m kinda tired. Overall want to simply offer some encouragement :P
[quote]So when you say you are renting out 1Mhash you are renting out 1 and 1/3 of a 280X card?. would it just be much more simple to rent away x amount of cards with promise of around X khash performance pr card?[/quote]
+1 In light of the fact it is not trivial for you to carve this stuff up, I think that makes a lot of sense.
The one thing I know for certain is that people in this community won’t let you fail, if at all possible This kind of thing sets FTC above the rest.
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If he splits up his farm to a friends place he would have an extra fail point in some terms.
Scenario:
One of your rigs does a hard crash, your not able to ssh into it or use any other form of remote management.
You´d better hope that friend is home. Cause the only solution to this is a hard restart. So either you gotta have 24/7 access to that place, or you need to get yourself an PDU unit to control turning power on/off remotely over WAN. That again requires that the computer doesn’t boot into some failsafe stuff, i occasionally have to find my monitor and keyboard for my headless miners for manually getting the computer to load the operating system. You could automate this. but that doesn’t always work from my experience.There is like said above the case of DDOS issue, unfortunately theres not much to do about this, don’t show your ip address, or hide behind an relay address that you could change if it gets to hot out there. On a positive side, ddos attacks usually don’t last for a longer period of time.
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@FTCClover - really a cool idea and I wish you success in setting it all up. Your page already looks promising - really well done +1 from me … let’s see how it will evolve … I’m just short before buying a contract as your pricing model is really fair.
Just on small info - I was not that convinced from using the D2 pool alone … had some downtimes that were not that nice. I made good experience in having GiveMeCoins as my primary pool and D2 as Fail-Over configured (or maybe even distributing your load across multiple pools… this way you balance pool downtimes).
Wish you good look in your current setting it up phase.
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[quote name=“svennand” post=“49908” timestamp=“1388913234”]
If he splits up his farm to a friends place he would have an extra fail point in some terms.Scenario:
One of your rigs does a hard crash, your not able to ssh into it or use any other form of remote management.
You´d better hope that friend is home. Cause the only solution to this is a hard restart. So either you gotta have 24/7 access to that place, or you need to get yourself an PDU unit to control turning power on/off remotely over WAN. That again requires that the computer doesn’t boot into some failsafe stuff, i occasionally have to find my monitor and keyboard for my headless miners for manually getting the computer to load the operating system. You could automate this. but that doesn’t always work from my experience.There is like said above the case of DDOS issue, unfortunately theres not much to do about this, don’t show your ip address, or hide behind an relay address that you could change if it gets to hot out there. On a positive side, ddos attacks usually don’t last for a longer period of time.
[/quote]Splitting up the farm has it’s pros and cons for sure. You mentioned a big con, but a big pro is that he’s less sensitive to power outages, still being able to deliver partially to customers, which is a good thing.
The remote PDU part is pretty easy to build, all you need is a RasperyPi and some cheap electronicl components, together with some pretty basic knowledge of how to connect it all and script a solution for it. You piggyback the PI-solution on the powerButton for the rig. Once that’s done, create a script that pings the rig, when you loose 10 or more pings (or so) send a signal to restart the computer and pause the signal sending until a new ping is recieved (indicating the rig is up again).When it comes to security it’s a bit more tricky. In order to protect yourself from DDoS you need a secondary internet connection, a pretty descent firewall and a pretty descent router together with some knowledge on how to set up proper routing, rules and protection (forget home routers, you need something more powerfull like a routerboard 2011 or even more powerful).
What you do is keep a secondary internet connection like a backup, and when the primary connection get’s attacked you fail over to the secondary. This gives you time to get help on your primary connection from your ISP. It’s a cheap and easy to maintain solution to buy you time and avoid downtime with. However, if the attackers figure out where your secondary connection is you’re screwed anyway, but that should take some time at least :)
There are more rigid ways to solve the DDoS problem more permanently, but that costs more than it’s worth imho.The biggest threat you have to protect against is someone breaking into your farm remotely. If that’s done, one can easily steal all your power or use the machines for other purposes which is bad bad bad! First of all don’t run windows. Windows 7 & 8 is pretty secure, but history tells us that when a new exploit surfaces, it takes some time for microsoft to act on it and patch the vulnerability. Linux distributions like Debian, CentOS and openSUSE have a better track record here, way better!
This is also a good reason to have a powerfull firewall, you need to shut down EVERYTHING that doesn’t need to traverse the networks. On top of that you need some kind of monitoring that can send you alarms on everything from rigs going down to attacks on your network. -
I guess it depends on access, but presumably 24/7 access would be a requirement.
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If he splits up his farm to a friends place he would have an extra fail point in some terms.
[/quote]That is a major point against splitting the deployment between 2 locations.
I’m not experienced enough in the actual deployment of this stuff, but it just seemed to me that this option at least halves the technical challenge of powering and cooling 39 co-located GPUs.
If it causes more problems that it solves, then its not worth the bother.
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Hi, it sounds like a good idea. About the security issue: wouln’t it help if you distribute the coins every day to your clients ? It should minimalize the safety risk if you reduce the amount on your account . Despite it will take more work for you it can help to get the confidence of customers.
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Take a look at one of my other posts where i’m comparing pools regarding efficiency…
You might consider running your own pool, either centralized or p2pooled.
I even think (positive critics on) that when offering this a a commercial service you ‘should’ run your own pool to prevent downtimes, fees etc.
Sure its an extra ‘job’ but you want to go commercial right ?
Did you think about the downtime of your Internet connection ?
If I were to ‘rent’ your service i would like to have some guarantee on availability.
One option might be to setup/rent a load balancer on an Internet Exchange and have it redirected to your ‘home’ connection.
Easier to deal with DDOS, temporary moving to another location, splitting up etc etc.
You aim to become a major key player in renting out this service, did you think about the next step, where to move when you’re adding another 100+ GPU’s ?Dont take me wrong, i really like the idea but its very easy to crash and burn with this stuff…
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I have a solution to all these problems! I did some digging and I found out that I could rent a storage unit for about 10 euro a week and electricity is free. I will have 24 hour access with a unique key card and each storage unit is also monitored 24/7 by CCTV. If one storage unit gets too hot will all rigs inside I will just rent another :) and MrSheep has messaged me saying he will help me set up a p2pool so that’s another problem solved…
So I’m expecting the motherboards to arrive first thing in the morning! I can’t wait! I will post an update on the website blog when they arrive :D
And sorry if I’ve been taking too long to respond to your messages, I’ve been swamped with messages and work the last couple of days but I should be able to get back to everyone at some stage :)
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[quote author=FTClover link=topic=6481.msg50035#msg50035 date=1388948066]
I have a solution to all these problems! I did some digging and I found out that I could rent a storage unit for about 10 euro a week and electricity is free. I will have 24 hour access with a unique key card and each storage unit is also monitored 24/7 by CCTV. If one storage unit gets too hot will all rigs inside I will just rent another :) and MrSheep has messaged me saying he will help me set up a p2pool so that’s another problem solved…So I’m expecting the motherboards to arrive first thing in the morning! I can’t wait! I will post an update on the website blog when they arrive :D
And sorry if I’ve been taking too long to respond to your messages, I’ve been swamped with messages and work the last couple of days but I should be able to get back to everyone at some stage :)
[/quote]wow 10euros and free electricity? where? i go there with my rigs
[/quote]Are you living in Ireland? If so there’s a few places doing it, the one I’m looking at is just off the M50 :)
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[quote name=“midwaycy6” post=“50042” timestamp=“1388949065”]
Unfortunately no i’m living in Ireland, i’m from Spain. But it’s good to know haha, i have 5 rigs and i’m looking a place to rent since weeks ago, but everything is so expensive.
[/quote]I’m sure you can find storage units in spain somewhere :) I was looking at renting an office or server room but I was getting prices from 600-1000 euro a month which is just not affordable with these kinds of operations! especially here in Ireland ::)
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[quote name=“FTClover” post=“50035” timestamp=“1388948066”]
I have a solution to all these problems! I did some digging and I found out that I could rent a storage unit for about 10 euro a week and electricity is free. I will have 24 hour access with a unique key card and each storage unit is also monitored 24/7 by CCTV. If one storage unit gets too hot will all rigs inside I will just rent another :) and MrSheep has messaged me saying he will help me set up a p2pool so that’s another problem solved…So I’m expecting the motherboards to arrive first thing in the morning! I can’t wait! I will post an update on the website blog when they arrive :D
And sorry if I’ve been taking too long to respond to your messages, I’ve been swamped with messages and work the last couple of days but I should be able to get back to everyone at some stage :)
[/quote]Im guessing 10A circuit max and 1,5mm^2 wiring. so you’ll need a couple of those storage spaces, or have you checked this?
Also im guessing that the power won’t stay free for long, guess on the first electric bill the storage unit owner get ;D -
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[quote author=midwaycy6 link=topic=6481.msg50042#msg50042 date=1388949065]
Unfortunately no i’m living in Ireland, i’m from Spain. But it’s good to know haha, i have 5 rigs and i’m looking a place to rent since weeks ago, but everything is so expensive.
[/quote]I’m sure you can find storage units in spain somewhere :) I was looking at renting an office or server room but I was getting prices from 600-1000 euro a month which is just not affordable with these kinds of operations! especially here in Ireland ::)
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You can start a cloud mining server here in Romania , we have great internet speeds and ping time , the electricity cost is very low , like 1 dollar / 10 KWh , and rents are low too , a 2 room flat (apartment) costs like 250 euros per month :P If I could afford a mining rig I would virtually be a billionaire here :P -
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[quote author=FTClover link=topic=6481.msg50043#msg50043 date=1388949507]
[quote author=midwaycy6 link=topic=6481.msg50042#msg50042 date=1388949065]
Unfortunately no i’m living in Ireland, i’m from Spain. But it’s good to know haha, i have 5 rigs and i’m looking a place to rent since weeks ago, but everything is so expensive.
[/quote]I’m sure you can find storage units in spain somewhere :) I was looking at renting an office or server room but I was getting prices from 600-1000 euro a month which is just not affordable with these kinds of operations! especially here in Ireland ::)
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You can start a cloud mining server here in Romania , we have great internet speeds and ping time , the electricity cost is very low , like 1 dollar / 10 KWh , and rents are low too , a 2 room flat (apartment) costs like 250 euros per month :P If I could afford a mining rig I would virtually be a billionaire here :P
[/quote]250euros in the main cities?
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Here , in Bucharest , the capital city , we have rents ranging from 200 to 350 euros for a two room flat , in other cities it may be even cheaper . The prices are so low because we earn like 350-400 euros per month from a good job , like working in a bank institution :| , there are other jobs that pays as low as 150-200 euros per month , being a teacher is one of that jobs :( -
Only 9Mh/s in contracts left before we’re sold out :D get em while there hot 8)
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Motherboards have arrived 8)
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[quote name=“FTClover” post=“50508” timestamp=“1389119145”]
Motherboards have arrived 8)
[/quote]Pic or it didn’t happen!